Beware of Counterfeit Cards
A sports card podcast covering counterfeit card issues in the hobby, Beckett's website outage, SCN Challenge scoring disputes, Parcel2Go shipping complaints, UK crime epidemic, and discussions about backup quarterbacks and fantasy football. The hosts also interview Casey from Fanatics about Instant Packs digital ripping, promote upcoming episodes, and establish new voicemail/Rushmore caller protocols.
Summary
The episode opens with sponsorships for eBay Live and Tic Tac before diving into multiple serious hobby and personal issues. The hosts discuss a critical counterfeit card problem where dozens of fake Victor Wimbanyama cards were discovered on DC Sports, suggesting a larger-scale counterfeiting operation rather than isolated incidents. They emphasize the need for federal prosecution and improved security measures in card printing. Beckett's website outage lasting weeks is discussed as potentially concerning given customer card holdings, with speculation about ransomware attacks or infrastructure failures. The hosts debate SCN Challenge scoring methodology, specifically whether Card Ladder value (which incorporates player perception) should override individual card sales prices—a point of contention given CJ Stroud cards selling higher than their Card Ladder valuation suggests. A personal grievance is aired regarding Parcel2Go, a UK shipping company that allegedly failed to return $5,000 after a package went missing, with no recourse available. The hosts also highlight a crime epidemic in the UK affecting card shops and collectors, with organized retail theft and robbery at knifepoint becoming commonplace. Guest Joe Bartle discusses NFL injuries affecting rookie cards, potential backup quarterback opportunities, and pessimism about Justin Herbert's market given the Chargers' brutal schedule. They analyze Herbert's PSA 10 silver prism card declining from $2,500 in 2020 to $1,200-1,500 currently. The conversation pivots to running backs as penny-stock opportunities, specifically discussing Derrick Henry, Trayvon Henderson, and Tyler Shuck. Mike reveals a major Rolex GMT Batman watch flip, trading it for a Mahomes rookie patch auto valued around $35,000-40,000. The episode includes establishment of new show protocols: Mondays become extended voicemail clearing sessions, Thursdays feature pre-screened selective voicemails, and Rushmore callers (Larry, Hans, Caleb, Sherman, Dustin, Moose, Kentucky guy, and Beefcake) get priority. Casey Kravitz from Fanatics discusses Instant Packs digital ripping strategy, explaining random pack allocation, accessibility pricing ($90 vs $600 retail), and future expansion plans. The episode concludes with discussion of a new 'Geo 300' challenge ($300 for three cards, graded 1-10) and upset picks for the upcoming NFL week (Miami +10.5, Arizona +8.5).
About this episode
Mike and Jesse open the show, airing a few grievances while Jesse ponders life and how far behind he is in the SCN Challenge. A new scam involving high-end counterfeit cards is causing concern. Plus, Joe Bartel from RotoWire joins to look at the football market after Week 2 in the NFL, the markets for backup QBs, and why you shouldn't trust young, unproven QBs. Wrapping up with voicemails and Casey Kravit from Fanatics to discuss a new Instant Rips for Topps Pristine Basketball. 0:00 - Intro and the airing of grievances 11:00 - DC Sports 87 pulls cards after noticing counterfeit cards. 18:00 - You have to root these people out of the hobby. 22:30 - Joe Bartel of RotoWire joins the show. 23:00 - Any of the backup quarterbacks worth investing in? 31:00 - Is Tyler Shough for real? 33:30 - Penny stock running backs and wide receivers to invest in. 40:00 - Justin Herbert’s market is about to go in the tank. 50:25 - Is Funcle going to take the third chair from Papa Gio on Monday? 54:05 - The Introduction of the “Gio 300” and “Jesse 300” 57:25 - Kicking off voicemails 1:03:35 - Time to rename the show “Stupid Watch Nonsense” 1:18:00 - Beefcake on setting up at shows 1:21:35 - Casey Kravit from Fanatics on the new Instant Rips Follow Sports Cards Nonsense: https://www.tiktok.com/@sportscardsnonsense https://www.instagram.com/sports_cards_nonsense/ https://x.com/SCN_Pod https://www.facebook.com/groups/sportscardsnonsense https://collectibleslife.beehiiv.com/subscribe https://scnchallenge.com/ https://linktr.ee/SportsCardsNonsense?utm_source=linktree_profile_share&ltsid=5764ed98-4893-4eae-bf91-0bd89949ed99 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Key Insights
- Counterfeit card operations appear to be large-scale rather than one-off incidents, with dozens of identical fake cards discovered suggesting systematic production and distribution across multiple consignment shops.
- Card Ladder value incorporates overall player perception rather than individual card sales, meaning a card can sell higher than Card Ladder suggests if the player underperforms relative to expectations.
- Beckett's vague 'infrastructure enhancements' explanation for weeks-long website outage raises collector concerns about card security and data protection without transparency.
- UK retail theft has become organized and epidemic-level, with criminals specifically targeting card shops and following customers home for robbery, exploiting lenient self-defense laws.
- Multiple NFL rookie quarterbacks injured early in the 2024 season (Caleb Williams, Jaden Daniels, Jackson Dart, Sam Darnold) suggests caution about investing in rookie QB cards after limited playing time.
- Justin Herbert's PSA 10 silver prism card has declined 50% from 2020 peak ($2,500) to current market ($1,200), reflecting collector reassessment despite strong early career statistics.
- Chargers' brutal schedule (with potential 2-8 or 1-7 record possible) will likely cause further depreciation of Justin Herbert's card values before December.
- Fanatics Instant Packs uses randomized allocation of packs rather than pre-selecting hits, with pack contents determined far in advance and sent to scanning facility with no advance knowledge of specific cards included.
- Digital pack ripping at $90 per pack represents less than half the retail price of Pristine boxes ($600-1,200), making it accessible to collectors who never had opportunity to experience the product.
- Fanatics' success metrics for Instant Packs focus on growing the connected ecosystem of collection, grading, and trading rather than just pack sales.
- Show protocol changes designate Mondays as comprehensive voicemail clearing days and Thursdays as curated voicemail shows, with Rushmore callers receiving priority booking regardless of day.
- Derrick Henry lacks the historical stigma collectors associate with other all-time great running backs, and his market value remains fraction of his statistical production due to perceived playoff underperformance.
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Transcript
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