DiscussionOpinion

Software stocks got crushed. Did they have it coming?

Unhedged20m 28s

Software stocks have been crushed (down 21% year-over-year) due to fears that AI will eliminate the need for enterprise software, but hosts Rob Armstrong and Katie Martin argue this market reaction is likely overdone given the massive switching costs and regulatory complexity of mission-critical business systems. Meanwhile, concentration risk in AI-related stocks poses broader systemic concerns, with AI companies now accounting for half the S&P 500 despite fundamental uncertainties about how the technology translates to profits.

Summary

The episode opens with discussion of a February market panic triggered by research suggesting AI could collapse the existing economy, which sparked a $1 trillion selloff in software stocks. The specific catalyst was both the Citrini Research report and the launch of Claude Cowork, an AI coding tool that impressed developers with its capability to speed up coding work significantly. This led to the "Sasspocalypse"—a massive decline in SaaS (Software-as-a-Service) companies like Adobe, Intuit, Workday, ServiceNow, Salesforce, and Oracle, which are now trading at 40% or even one-third of recent highs with PE ratios comparable to banks or cyclical industries, despite continuing revenue growth.

Rob Armstrong and Katie Martin argue the market reaction appears overdone because switching from established enterprise software systems is extremely difficult in practice. These platforms hold mission-critical data, integrate with regulatory compliance systems, and require massive organizational knowledge to operate. The switching costs are so high that companies cannot simply replace Oracle or Salesforce with an AI tool. The hosts note that similar predictions about database software being obsolete 20 years ago proved completely wrong, with Oracle remaining dominant.

However, the conversation acknowledges legitimate reasons for the stock weakness: AI might capture the innovation layer and user interface improvements built on top of the core data layer that SaaS companies provide. Alternatively, AI enthusiasm itself may be wildly overdone.

The discussion then broadens to systemic risk. The Bank of England's financial stability report warns that concentration risk in AI stocks is extreme—AI-related companies now account for approximately 50% of the S&P 500 (up from 25% in 2022), which itself represents about half the global equity market. The central bank sketches a scenario where AI stocks drop 45% over six quarters, though the hosts note that market declines of one-third are historically not uncommon and are something investors should plan for anyway. The fundamental problem is that while everyone knows bubbles inflate and deflate, the timing and specifics remain unknowable, making it difficult for investors to act on warnings.

The segment concludes with Long/Short picks: Armstrong goes long on Keith Snyder, a CFRA analyst with a sell rating on SpaceX, simply because contrarian views are rare on Wall Street where consensus ratings are overwhelmingly bullish. Martin shorts benchmark manipulation by egg producers who colluded to falsify egg price data, which distorted inflation readings during a period when egg prices were already volatile due to avian flu.

About this episode

<p>The index of big US software groups has fallen by about 20 percent over the past year, as investors worry that AI will make software businesses obsolete. Today on the show, Rob Armstrong and Katie Martin make the case that enterprise software isn’t going anywhere. Also on the show: We go long the one analyst with a sell rating on SpaceX, and long “int-egg-rity” (sorry).</p><br /><p>For a free 30-day trial to the Unhedged newsletter go to: <a href="https://www.ft.com/unhedgedoffer" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.ft.com/unhedgedoffer</a>.</p><br /><p>You can email Robert Armstrong and Katie Martin at <a href="mailto:[email protected]" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">[email protected]</a>.</p><hr /><p style="color: grey; font-size: 0.75em;"> Hosted on Acast. See <a href="https://acast.com/privacy" rel="noopener noreferrer" style="color: grey;" target="_blank">acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>

Key Insights

  • SaaS companies trading at historically low valuations despite continued business growth because markets are pricing in an AI future threat that hasn't yet materialized, representing potential systematic overshooting by investors
  • Enterprise software switching is prohibitively difficult because systems hold mission-critical regulatory compliance data and require extensive organizational knowledge, making rapid replacement by AI tools unrealistic despite technical capabilities
  • AI-related stocks now represent approximately 50% of the S&P 500 (up from 25% in 2022), concentrating systemic risk on a narrow set of companies with valuations based on bullish earnings forecasts despite fundamental uncertainty about how the technology generates profits
  • Market participants understand theoretically that technological revolutions create bubbles followed by shakeouts, but this knowledge provides no practical guidance on timing or which sectors get hit hardest, leaving investors unable to act effectively on central bank warnings
  • Previous predictions that database software would become obsolete due to newer technologies proved completely wrong with incumbents like Oracle maintaining dominance, suggesting current AI-driven software stock pessimism may similarly overestimate disruption

Topics

Software stock decline (Sasspocalypse)AI threat to enterprise softwareSwitching costs and mission-critical systemsAI market concentration riskBenchmark manipulation in egg marketMarket bubbles and overshootingSaaS company valuations

Transcript

Pushkin. Remember that whole thing in February? Markets got spooked by this sudden moment of dread that AI would demolish everything in its path, starting with software companies and ending in our livelihoods. It wiped a trillion dollars off the value of software stocks and those stocks are still down as a group about 20% from where they were a year ago even when the rest of the market is up a fair amount. And look it remains possible that AI will kill all the jobs and then I don't know kill all the humans But here at Unhedged, we are humble markets people, ill-equipped to tackle such grand moral and social issues. What we want to figure out is…

Full transcript available for MurmurCast members

Sign Up to Access

More from Unhedged

Get AI summaries like this delivered to your inbox daily

Get AI summaries delivered to your inbox

MurmurCast summarizes your YouTube channels, podcasts, and newsletters into one daily email digest.