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From Drinking Every Morning to Running 340 Miles: Tommie Runz on Recovery, Running & Redemption

The Rich Roll Podcast2h 16m

Tommy Runs shares his journey from severe alcoholism and street life in Detroit to 9+ years of sobriety, veganism, and becoming an accomplished ultramarathon runner and content creator. He discusses how recovery work in AA formed the foundation for all his subsequent achievements, his mission to increase representation of Black people in running and trail racing, and how endurance sports serve as a spiritual practice for processing trauma and building self-love.

Summary

Tommy Runs (Tommie Runz) recounts a dramatic origin story of addiction that began at age 17 when he took his first drink in high school. Within two weeks, he was drinking every day, and two weeks after that, he passed out in a school bathroom—a moment that should have scared him straight but instead prompted him to moderate rather than quit. He spent the next 15 years as a "functional alcoholic," progressing from beer to liquor to morning drinking while simultaneously building a successful career in auto transportation, eventually becoming a VP-level executive. He also fathered a daughter at 23 and tried repeatedly to get sober through failed "dry January" attempts. His breaking point came in January 2017 when he woke up at 2:30 AM in his friend's house and drank vodka alone while everyone slept—a moment he describes as the saddest he's ever been. His mother encouraged him to contact his company's Employee Assistance Program, which led to a therapist who revealed she was a substance abuse counselor. Though initially resistant, Tommy attended his first AA meeting and found immediate kinship with the community. He credits the meetings with saving his life and emphasizes that three moments of telling the truth—to the EAP screener, the therapist, and himself—loosened addiction's grip enough for him to commit to sobriety.

Tommy's running journey began in 2018, over a year into sobriety, when a client invited him to train for the Chicago Rock and Roll Half Marathon. After overcoming a metatarsal fracture, he completed the race and felt a profound sense of accomplishment and community similar to AA meetings. He changed his Instagram handle from TommyGuns to Tommy Runs and began documenting his athletic journey. By 2024, he had completed 17 marathons including all six Abbott World Marathon Majors in a single year (with Osaka and Tokyo just seven days apart), completed a 100K, ran the Speed Project (340 miles from LA to Las Vegas in approximately 5-7 days), and finished Western States 100 in 24:55. His athletic progression has been rapid and deliberate, with coach Melissa Johnson White training him through all these efforts. Tommy intentionally shares vulnerable content showing the suffering and difficulty of these races, which has inspired others including Mitchie Paul, a young Black runner who completed the Speed Project's OG route after seeing Tommy's documentary "Called a Hero."

Representation and diversity in running, particularly in trail running, form a central theme of Tommy's mission. He discusses how running and jogging were historically coded as "white people things" in Black communities, with most exposure to elite Black runners coming from distant figures like Kenyan marathoners rather than relatable local examples. The 2020 pandemic and racial justice movements created a boom in running participation among Black Americans, with run clubs becoming crucial spaces for community building. However, Tommy notes that trail running remains significantly whiter than road running, lacking the diversity gains made in marathons over the past five years. He attributes this partly to economic barriers, proximity to trails, and lack of visible representation, but emphasizes that brand choices about who to invite to sponsored events and trips significantly influence community composition. Tommy argues that intentionality matters—brands sponsoring trail events can actively invite diverse athletes, and trail community leaders should welcome newcomers rather than gatekeep or romanticize the "old days" of the sport. He credits people like Alison Desir for pushing these conversations and celebrates run clubs that create explicitly welcoming spaces.

Tommy distinguishes between running and sobriety, emphasizing repeatedly that running did not cause his sobriety—sobriety enabled his running. He reminds people who message him seeking running solutions to addiction that the priority must be recovery work first, as running could become another escape mechanism if the underlying addiction issues aren't addressed through 12-step work. He discusses how both recovery and ultramarathoning involve confronting oneself honestly, practicing contrary action (choosing discomfort), and working through highs and lows across extended timeframes. He contrasts marathons, which are over in 2-6 hours, with 100-milers, which involve 20+ hours of continuous negotiation with oneself, multiple mental deaths and rebirths, and extended opportunities to choose to quit or continue. He expresses preference for the longer distances because they mirror his recovery journey more closely—the extended low points feel familiar from his years of addiction, and learning to move through them sober represents transformation. Tommy frames his athletic accomplishments not as evidence of superiority but as documentation of what's possible when someone fully commits to change, specifically highlighting how he shows the suffering and failures in his content to inspire others authentically rather than through polished highlight reels.

Tommy addresses broader running culture questions, defending carbon-plated shoes, various run club types, and fashion in running as generally positive developments that make the sport more vibrant and accessible. He emphasizes that run club leaders bear responsibility for maintaining welcoming atmospheres that don't inadvertently create hierarchies or clicks. He expresses admiration for Wiz Khalifa's recent running journey and Molly Seidel's decision to finish Western States despite not achieving her goal time, seeing both as examples of authentic engagement with the sport. On personal growth, Tommy identifies his ongoing work as learning to love himself enough to align his daily decisions with his values, acknowledging that some of his drive still stems from the young, not-good-enough version of himself seeking validation. He frames this as necessary inner work to ensure he'd continue pursuing these goals even without external recognition.

About this episode

Tommie Runz is a runner, sobriety advocate, and co-host of the PR Project. This conversation explores addiction and redemption through Tommie's insistence that sobriety comes first and everything else is downstream. We discuss his backstory, the denial and the delusion of functional drinking, the moment he told the truth, nine years sober, ultrarunning as a spiritual practice, who belongs on the trail, and more. Tommie is a beautiful representation of a real runner. Enjoy! Show notes + MORE Watch on YouTube Newsletter Sign-Up Today’s Sponsors: WHOOP: Join now and get one month free👉🏼https://www.join.whoop.com/Roll  Squarespace: Use code RichRoll to save 10% off your first order of a website or domain👉🏼https://www.squarespace.com/RichRoll  Rivian: Electric vehicles that keep the world adventurous forever👉🏼https://stories.rivian.com/richroll  Freaks of Nature: Save 20% with code RICHROLL👉🏼https://www.freaksofnature.com  Check out all of the amazing discounts from our Sponsors👉🏼https://www.richroll.com/sponsors  Find out more about Voicing Change Media at https://www.voicingchange.media and follow us @voicingchange Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Key Insights

  • Tommy's alcoholism progressed from first drink to daily drinking within two weeks at age 17, demonstrating how rapidly addiction can establish itself in susceptible individuals.
  • Despite passing out in a school bathroom while intoxicated after just two weeks of drinking, Tommy responded by moderating his approach rather than quitting, a common pattern among addicts who don't yet accept powerlessness.
  • Tommy maintained a 15-year career trajectory as a VP-level executive while being a morning drinker, illustrating how 'functional alcoholism' can coexist with external success and enable denial about the severity of addiction.
  • Three moments of telling the truth—to an EAP screener, a therapist, and himself about his drinking—created enough space between Tommy and his addiction for him to commit to sobriety without requiring a dramatic physical bottom.
  • Tommy's grandma's single instruction to 'not let them see you like this' after his drunk school incident carried deeper meaning about dignity that only became clear after years of sobriety, suggesting delayed understanding of wisdom received during addiction.
  • Running entered Tommy's life over a year into sobriety, meaning his entire athletic identity is built on a foundation of recovery work rather than running being a cause of sobriety.
  • Tommy consciously includes suffering, failure, and low moments in his social media content and documentary rather than only highlighting victories, arguing this authentic portrayal inspires people for 'the right reasons.'
  • The trail running community remains significantly less diverse than the road running community despite road racing achieving substantial diversity gains through intentional brand and organizational effort between 2020-2024.
  • Tommy attributes much of trail running's lack of diversity to brand choices about who gets invited to sponsored trips and events, arguing that intentionality at the sponsorship level directly shapes community composition.
  • Running and jogging were historically perceived as 'white people things' in Black communities, not because Black people weren't elite runners, but because recreational running wasn't visible or normalized as a community activity.
  • The pandemic and 2020 racial justice movements coincided to create conditions where run clubs emerged as Black community spaces, fundamentally shifting perceptions of running as accessible and belonging to Black people.
  • Tommy emphasizes that sobriety must remain the priority for people seeking recovery, and that running cannot substitute for 12-step work because running could become another escape mechanism if underlying addiction isn't addressed.
  • Ultramarathons (100+ miles) provide 20+ hours of opportunity to practice contrary action and negotiate with oneself through multiple mental deaths and rebirths, offering longer periods for the kind of self-confrontation that mirrors recovery work.
  • Tommy's ongoing personal growth work involves learning to love himself enough to align daily decisions with his values, acknowledging he still carries a 'not good enough' internal voice that drives some of his achievement-seeking.
  • Mitchie Paul completed the Speed Project's OG 340-mile route after watching Tommy's documentary, demonstrating how showing authentic struggle rather than polished success can inspire others to attempt difficult things.

Topics

Addiction and alcoholism recovery12-step program and AASobriety journey (9+ years)Marathon and ultramarathon runningTrail running and ultra-distance racingRepresentation and diversity in runningBlack community and running cultureContent creation and influencer culturePersonal branding and businessEndurance sports as spiritual practiceSpeed Project 340-mile raceWestern States 100 raceRunning as recovery complement (not solution)Run clubs and community buildingThe documentary 'Called a Hero'

Transcript

I don't know when the morning drinking started, but that was a standard. And I'm just like, I'm going to die like this. Like this is how I die. He's sober. He's an accomplished runner. He's making a positive impact on the world. Prepare to be inspired because today you're going to hear the experience, strength, and hope of Tommy Runs. 17 years old senior year, I think it was. Ran out of the classroom and then like passed out. All of a sudden i'm drinking every day for two weeks that's like the most accelerated case of alcoholism i've ever heard well hold on you know the story hasn't even the story hasn't even finished yet the meetings saved…

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