Why AI Isn’t Killing SaaS Yet
Ara Karazian, lead economist at Ramp, presents data from 50,000 businesses showing that the 'SaaSpocalypse' narrative is not supported by actual business spending. Seat-based pricing still dominates at 65-75% of spend, token-based pricing uptake is under 1%, and major SaaS incumbents like Figma are still growing. The real changes are more nuanced: multi-model adoption is rising, cost-consciousness is increasing, and AI is spawning new software categories rather than simply destroying existing ones.
Summary
Ara Karazian, lead economist at Ramp, uses data from 50,000 businesses and $100 billion in annual spend to challenge the dominant 'SaaSpocalypse' narrative — the idea that AI will wipe out SaaS companies, collapse seat-based pricing, and consolidate everything around a handful of frontier model providers. He breaks SaaSpocalypse into two testable claims: (1) that businesses are shifting away from traditional SaaS to AI model companies, and (2) that the way businesses buy software is fundamentally changing toward token or agentic pricing models. He argues neither is supported by the data. Seat-based contracts still represent 65-75% of spend, flat platform fees account for 20-30%, and token-based pricing uptake — even at companies like HubSpot and Adobe that offer it — is under half a percent of spend. Companies like Figma continue to grow despite competition from AI-native alternatives like Anthropic's design product.
On the AI model market itself, Karazian discusses the Ramp AI Index, which tracks business adoption of AI models. Anthropic has recently overtaken OpenAI as the most-used model among businesses on Ramp's platform. However, he cautions against interpreting this as a winner-take-all dynamic, noting that early adopters are increasingly using multiple models simultaneously. A significant trend is rising cost-consciousness: for high-intensity token spenders, AI token costs have increased 13x over the past year, which Karazian calls unsustainable. This is driving some businesses toward routing platforms like OpenRouter, which allow access to cheaper or open-source models. DeepSeek, despite initial hype, never exceeded 1% adoption on Ramp's platform and faces ongoing security perception issues. Google's Gemini is underrepresented in paid adoption data because it is bundled into Google Workspace for free.
Karazian identifies several areas of genuine growth that often go unreported in mainstream AI discourse. Answer Engine Optimization (AEO) — software that helps firms track how they appear in AI model outputs — is a fast-growing category that didn't exist before and is being led by new entrants like Profound, not legacy SEO players. AI-native CRMs like Adio are growing quickly, though they are far from unseating Salesforce. He also notes that many of the fastest-growing vendors on Ramp's platform are infrastructure, workflow, and application-layer companies, not the frontier model labs themselves.
On the question of AI's impact on employment, Karazian is cautiously optimistic. He observes a decoupling of revenue growth from headcount growth at software companies, but also notes that firms actively adopting AI tend to be fast-growing and still have substantial work for employees. He is skeptical of the 'AI will destroy all jobs' framing promoted by model companies, suggesting it functions more as TAM-expansion rhetoric aimed at investors and capital allocators than as a genuine economic forecast. He also discusses how legacy players like Deloitte are taking a more conservative stance on AI adoption compared to competitors, and how sectors like journalism may be quietly experimenting with AI in ways that complement rather than replace human reporting work.
About this episode
Originally aired on MTS segment, Monetary Matters, Jack Farley and Max Wiethe speak with Ara Kharazian, Lead Economist at Ramp, about what real business spending data says about AI adoption, why the “SaaSpocalypse” narrative is overblown, and how companies are actually buying and deploying AI tools. They also discuss Anthropic overtaking OpenAI in Ramp’s AI Index, token-based pricing, AI productivity gains, and why many legacy software firms may be more resilient than people expect.
Key Insights
- Karazian argues that neither dimension of 'SaaSpocalypse' is supported by Ramp's data: seat-based contracts still represent 65-75% of business software spend, and token-based pricing uptake is under 0.5% even at companies that offer it.
- Karazian claims that Anthropic has surpassed OpenAI as the most-used AI model among businesses on Ramp's platform, but cautions this should not be interpreted as a winner-take-all outcome since multi-model adoption is increasingly common.
- Karazian observes that for businesses that are high-intensity AI token spenders, token costs have increased 13x over the past year, which he describes as an unsustainable trajectory that is pushing cost-conscious firms toward routing platforms like OpenRouter.
- Karazian argues that OpenAI and Anthropic have no financial incentive to offer auto-routing products that lower AI spend, since approximately 80% of their revenue is token-based — creating an opening for third-party products like Cursor to compete on that dimension.
- Karazian identifies Answer Engine Optimization (AEO) — software tracking brand visibility in AI model outputs — as a fast-growing new software category that did not exist before AI and is being led by new entrants rather than legacy SEO players.
- Karazian notes that DeepSeek never exceeded 1% adoption on Ramp's platform despite widespread media claims of 80% adoption among venture-backed startups, and attributes its stagnation partly to persistent security perception concerns.
- Karazian suggests that companies making 'AI will destroy all jobs' proclamations are primarily targeting capital allocators and investors as their audience rather than making genuine economic forecasts, framing it as TAM-expansion rhetoric.
- Karazian observes that Deloitte explicitly positioned itself as more conservative on AI implementation compared to its Big Four peers, which he found surprising and sees as evidence that not all legacy players are responding to AI disruption in the same way or at the same pace.
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Transcript
This is one of the most dynamic markets we've seen, particularly for buying software, where month over month you will see large incumbents be replaced by the newcomers. Anthropic just did that with OpenAI, now the most popular model used by businesses according to Rampdata. Cursor did that with GitHub Copilot. My main take is that Setspocalypse as a pronouncement has come way too soon and is typically not informed by actual business behavior. You're saying Saspocalypse is not in the data? I'd say quantitatively, neither aspect of Saspocalypse is supported by actual business spend. Neither aspect as in it's going to change the way we buy it. Currently, it has not in any meaningful way, nor has it killed…
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