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"Seth Meyers"

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Seth Meyers joins the Smartless podcast to discuss his comedy career journey from Northwestern University through Second City, Saturday Night Live, and ultimately to hosting The Late Show. He reflects on how mentorship from Mike Shoemaker shaped his understanding of comedy writing and performing, and explains how his Update experience prepared him for late-night television.

Summary

Seth Meyers recounts his path to comedy, beginning at Northwestern where he discovered improv through the Meow troupe rather than pursuing his original film school goals. He worked as a server at the Twisted Lizard in Chicago while auditioning for Second City, eventually spending two transformative years at Boom Chicago in Amsterdam alongside future SNL writer/producer Peter Gross and Jason Sudeikis. This international experience provided crucial stage time and confidence before returning to audition for SNL.

Meyers describes struggling initially as an SNL cast member, feeling overshadowed by stronger performers like Will Ferrell, Tracy Morgan, and later Sudeikis and Hader. Mike Shoemaker, an SNL producer, provided pivotal career guidance: Meyers should focus on writing group sketches rather than solo vehicles, and should approach Update interviews with "patient and delighted" energy rather than frustration. When Tina Fey left to do 30 Rock and Amy Poehler was promoted to co-anchor Update, Meyers was reluctant to advocate for himself but did so when Lorne Michaels considered pairing him with another performer for his first solo Update, famously arguing that doing so would send the message that Michaels lacked confidence in him.

Meyers eventually became head writer of SNL, a position he describes as mostly delivering notes from Lorne to the writing staff while working alongside an exceptionally talented group of writers. He transitioned to The Late Show in 2014 after about three years away from SNL, poaching head writer Alex Bays from Weekend Update. Following Lorne's prediction that it would take 18 months to figure out his format, Meyers eventually abandoned the standing monologue in favor of starting the show at the desk—a decision that immediately felt correct.

Regarding current life, Meyers describes his relationship as going very well while acknowledging his learned reluctance to over-plan the future after experiencing many curveballs. He emphasizes the importance of laying a good foundation and surrounding himself with great people. During hiatus periods, he enjoys beach time with his three children (ages 10, 8, and nearly 5), and his father-in-law's motorboat. He watches substantial amounts of sports (primarily Steelers football, Red Sox baseball, and Liverpool FC) and recently finished the series Widow's Bay. The Late Show taping schedule at 4 PM allows significantly better work-life balance compared to SNL, with no post-mortems, just forward-looking focus on the next day's show. Meyers expresses genuine contentment with his work and confidence that avoiding boredom in his next career move will guide his path.

About this episode

Can I hear me? It’s the wonderful Seth Meyers. Irons in the fire, squirrel in parentheses, and accepting the cookies. “You can’t put a price on a smile,” … on an all-new SmartLess.

Key Insights

  • Meyers argues that pursuing entertainment requires complete commitment without backup plans, as having a safety net prevents the desperation necessary to take any available job and build experience.
  • Meyers credits Mike Shoemaker's advice to write group sketches where he could 'score a fifth of the laughs' rather than struggle carrying solo sketches, fundamentally shifting his SNL strategy from performer to writer.
  • Meyers explains that his initial instinct to play Update segments with frustration toward incompetent guests was reframed by Shoemaker to instead play with patience and delight, which resonated better with audiences.
  • Meyers describes that it took 18 months on The Late Show before discovering his format by eliminating the standing monologue and starting at the desk, at which point he immediately recognized 'this is it.'
  • Meyers claims that his SNL head writer title is the accomplishment he's proudest of, despite the role primarily involving translating Lorne Michaels' notes to an already exceptional writing staff.
  • Meyers contends that his daily late-night format is more sustainable for family life than SNL's weekly cycle, with 4 PM tapings and no post-mortems, forcing focus on future shows rather than ruminating on mistakes.
  • Meyers states he no longer believes in detailed five-year plans after experiencing numerous career curveballs, preferring instead to focus on laying a foundation and handling whatever comes next.
  • Meyers observes that international experience at Boom Chicago provided essential stage hours and confidence that domestic Chicago improv venues could not have offered during the same timeframe.

Topics

Comedy career trajectory from college to SNL to Late ShowMentorship and influence of Mike Shoemaker on comedy approachSNL cast member struggles and eventual role as writer/Update anchorInternational comedy experience at Boom Chicago in AmsterdamLate-night show format development and daily production scheduleWork-life balance and family time during hiatusSports fandom and seasonal interestsPhilosophy on career planning and avoiding backup plans

Transcript

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