Raising a Dog & Mastering Calm Assertive Energy | Cesar Millan
Cesar Millan discusses dog training through the lens of energy, philosophy, and human psychology, arguing that dogs respond to a handler's calm, confident energy rather than words. He emphasizes that effective dog ownership requires exercise, discipline, and affection in that order, and that understanding pack dynamics and one's own energy is fundamental to both dog training and human relationships.
Summary
In this extensive conversation with Andrew Huberman, Cesar Millan explores the principles underlying effective dog training and how these principles apply to human behavior and relationships. Millan begins by emphasizing that dogs are fundamentally responsive to energy and body language rather than verbal commands. He explains that achieving calm, assertive energy requires mastering silence, calmness, confidence, and appropriate expressions of love and joy.
Millan introduces the concept of pack hierarchy, distinguishing between front-of-pack (leader/protector), middle-of-pack (followers with natural balance), and back-of-pack (naturally submissive/sensitive) dogs. He argues that most families should seek middle or back-of-pack dogs because they are naturally easier to manage and require less intensive leadership. He stresses that dog selection matters profoundly—understanding a puppy's inherent position prevents mismatches between owner capabilities and dog needs.
A critical framework Millan presents is the sequence: exercise, discipline, affection. He argues that most people invert this order, leading to anxious, misbehaving dogs. The proper protocol involves structured walks (ideally 1-2 hours daily depending on the dog's energy level), establishing clear rules and boundaries, and only then offering affection as a reward. He emphasizes that "no touch, no talk, no eye contact" upon reuniting with a dog prevents reinforcing anxious excitement and allows the dog to settle into a calm state before greeting.
Millan connects dog training to human psychology and relationships, arguing that the same principles apply across species. He discusses pack dynamics in human families, noting that many households feature mothers who practice affection-only parenting with dogs while enforcing strict rules with husbands, resulting in dogs assuming leadership positions inappropriately. He advocates for understanding one's own pack position—whether one is naturally a front, middle, or back-of-pack human—and developing the ability to move fluidly between these positions as circumstances require.
The conversation explores the concept of energy exchange, which Millan describes as operating below the level of words and conscious awareness. He explains that dogs sense a person's internal state through their spirit and instinct before they respond to any training command. Huberman shares his own experience of sending Costello approval or disapproval energy from a distance, and Millan validates this as a fundamental form of animal communication that transcends species and language.
Millan reflects on his own background in rural Mexico, contrasting that culture's early awareness of death and reliance on spiritual connection with American consumer culture's emphasis on material accumulation and avoidance of mortality. He argues this difference creates divergent relationships to patience, calmness, and surrender—qualities he considers foundational to good leadership and healthy living.
The discussion addresses human relationships and partnership dynamics, with Millan sharing how he evolved from practicing "happy wife, happy life" subordination to understanding that healthy relationships require a masculine energy that provides direction and protection, balanced with a woman who chooses to surrender to that energy. He emphasizes that this is not dominance but rather earned leadership through consistent, patient, calm, confident, and loving behavior.
Millan introduces practical tools including cold plunge exposure as a way to experience the sensation of moving through fight-flight-avoidance into calm surrender, thereby teaching the nervous system what that state feels like. He discusses why certain common dog-training advice (whether to pet slowly or fast, whether dogs should sleep on beds, whether to hug dogs) misses the point—the handler's energy and intention matter far more than the specific action.
The conversation touches on death and dying with dogs, with Millan arguing that celebrating a dog's passing rather than mourning it creates a healthier transition for the animal's spirit. He views death as a natural transition and believes animals can sense human grief, which prevents them from peacefully departing.
Millan concludes by arguing that effective dog ownership is fundamentally about training humans to be better versions of themselves—more patient, calm, confident, loving, and present. He positions the dog as a mirror of the human's energy, philosophy, and actions, and suggests that mastering this relationship naturally improves all other human relationships and one's broader approach to life.
About this episode
Cesar Millan is a world-renowned dog behavior expert. We discuss how to adjust your energy and behavior to ensure your dog is calm and happy and always follows your lead. Cesar shares specific tools for: returning home to your dog each day, structuring their walks, and eliminating aggressive behaviors and anxiety. We discuss how to determine if your dog is front, middle, or back of the pack order—a hardwired feature that determines much of their needs and personality. And we explore how human-human interactions are based on balances in energy, too. Both dog owners and non-owners will gain extremely valuable insights and tools from this episode. Read the episode show notes at hubermanlab.com. Pre-order Protocols: https://protocolsbook.com Thank you to our sponsors AG1: https://drinkag1.com/huberman LMNT: https://drinklmnt.com/huberman Joovv: https://joovv.com/huberman Eight Sleep: https://eightsleep.com/huberman Function: https://functionhealth.com/huberman Timestamps (00:00:00) Cesar Millan (00:03:54) Animal Instincts & Human Energy (00:06:31) Spirit, Sending Energy, Tool: Silence, Calm & Confident (00:16:48) Sponsors: LMNT & Joovv (00:19:30) Walking Dog; Pack Order, Tool: Picking a Puppy (00:26:44) Human & Dog Hierarchy; Greeting Dog, Tool: No Look, No Touch, No Speak (00:35:11) Calm Dog, Structured Walk, Tool: Weighted Backpack (00:44:17) Sponsor: AG1 & Eight Sleep (00:46:57) Exercise, Discipline & Affection (00:50:23) Relationship to Death, Spirituality (00:55:30) Human Energy, Rescue Dogs; Sensing Stress (01:01:36) Animal Intelligence, Cats; Being a Pack Leader (01:07:27) Calm Greeting, Humanizing Animals, Safety & Security, Anxious Dogs (01:12:41) Safety & Horses, Respecting Dogs; Human Selfishness, Pack Leader (01:21:31) Sponsor: Function (01:23:15) Human Leaders; Pack Order, Prioritizing Affection (01:32:17) Picking Human Partners, Good Pack Leaders (01:44:40) Dog & Testing Boundaries, Tool: Calm & Confidence (01:52:34) Cultivating Self-Awareness & Self-Discipline, Life Values (01:58:02) Clearing Mind, Tool: Cold Plunge (02:02:22) Honoring Pet Death, Celebration, Expressing Sadness (02:12:13) Understanding Energy, Dog Training & Hard Work (02:17:25) Dog Breeds & Exercise, Fostering Dogs; Spay & Neuter, Humping (02:23:50) Petting Dogs; Barking & Destructive Behaviors, Tools: Early Walks, Challenges (02:31:31) Spirit & Instincts, Training Humans; Acknowledgements (02:35:50) Zero-Cost Support, YouTube, Spotify & Apple Follow, Reviews & Feedback, Protocols Book, Sponsors, Social Media, Neural Network Newsletter Disclaimer & Disclosures Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Key Insights
- Millan argues that dogs respond primarily to a handler's energy, calmness, and body language rather than to words or commands, meaning that verbal commands have limited potency without the proper underlying energy state.
- Millan identifies that 80% of his clients are women who practice affection-only parenting with dogs while enforcing strict rules with husbands, resulting in misaligned pack hierarchies within families.
- Millan claims that dogs are born with predetermined pack positions (front, middle, or back) that remain fixed throughout life, whereas humans have the capacity to move between positions depending on context and development.
- Millan asserts that the proper sequence for dog care is exercise, discipline, and affection—not affection first—because affection given to an unexercised or undisciplined dog reinforces poor behavior.
- Millan states that silence and calmness are more powerful forms of communication than speech, and that prayer or intentional thought can transmit energy that animals perceive without physical cues.
- Millan argues that the 'no touch, no talk, no eye contact' protocol prevents dogs from becoming anxious and excited upon reunion, allowing them instead to enter a calm, surrendered state before greeting.
- Millan contends that most people in the United States invert the natural order of priorities by placing emotional fulfillment from dogs above the dogs' actual needs for safety, peace, trust, and respect.
- Millan claims that understanding one's own energy—whether one operates from a state of patience, calmness, confidence, love, or joy—is prerequisite to effectively leading any pack, human or animal.
- Millan argues that third-world cultures teach awareness of death, spirituality, and surrender early in life, whereas first-world cultures emphasize material accumulation and avoidance of mortality, creating different nervous system patterns.
- Millan states that dogs do not understand concepts like fame, money, power, or human social roles; they only understand natural, simple, and profound states of being.
- Millan asserts that walking a dog is not optional exercise but rather a biological necessity equivalent to a human's need to work or eat, and that insufficient walking causes behavioral problems comparable to abuse.
- Millan argues that a healthy romantic relationship requires the man to maintain calm, confident, patient, loving energy that the woman can choose to surrender to—not dominance, but earned leadership.
- Millan claims that cold plunge exposure is an effective tool for teaching the human nervous system what genuine calm surrender feels like, making it easier to access that state intentionally.
- Millan contends that affection and love must come last in the hierarchy of needs—after safety, peace, trust, and respect—because love given without these foundations reinforces dysfunction.
- Millan argues that celebrating a dog's death with joy rather than grief allows the animal's spirit to depart peacefully, and that prolonged human sadness after a dog's death keeps the animal's energy bound to the house.
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Transcript
I'm not saying that to give affection. I'm just saying give affection to patience and calmness and open mind. Right? Because when your dog misbehaves, you want him to go back there. Go back to your good state of mind. Right? You don't want the dog to do fight, flight, avoidance. Those are the bad state of mind. The good state of mind is patience, calm, surrender, or happy-go-lucky. Those are good state of mind. Welcome to the Huberman Lab Podcast, where we discuss science and science-based tools for everyday life. I'm Andrew Huberman, and I'm a professor of neurobiology and ophthalmology at Stanford School of Medicine. My guest today is Cesar Millan, better known as the Dog Whisperer and…
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