RIP Traditional Presales
Ryan Krueger and Samir Saher discuss how the sales engineering role is fundamentally transforming due to AI, consumption-based pricing models, and market consolidation, requiring SEs to evolve from pre-sales-only positions into "account engineers" or "forward deploy solution engineers" who manage customers across the entire lifecycle while developing technical skills like coding and maintaining deep domain expertise.
Summary
In this episode of "Diary of a Sales Engineer," Ryan and Samir argue that the traditional "pre-sales" terminology and siloed role definition is becoming obsolete. They identify three major market shifts: (1) companies are consolidating roles and doing more with fewer people, requiring SEs to span pre and post-sales; (2) consumption-based pricing models are replacing per-seat pricing, meaning SEs must drive product adoption to influence revenue; and (3) AI's rapid evolution is creating architectural complexity around local models, cloud infrastructure, and frontier models that SEs must understand. The hosts propose new role definitions: "account engineers" for technical sellers managing full customer lifecycles, and "forward deploy solution engineers" for more technical specialists focused on solutions and consumption patterns. They emphasize that SEs should focus on three core pillars—functional domain knowledge, technical expertise, and sales acumen—but must strategically decide which to prioritize based on their industry, persona, and team composition. The transcript highlights that writing and shipping code to solve customer problems will likely become standard in SE job descriptions, not an exception. Both hosts stress that soft skills remain critical: translating complex technical and business problems into language that matters to customers is the true differentiator. For SE leaders, the emphasis shifts to staying involved in deals despite management responsibilities, understanding team members' individual strengths, and strategically pairing SEs to fill knowledge gaps. The episode concludes with encouragement to embrace change, give oneself grace during rapid industry evolution, and acknowledge uncertainty—"I don't know, but I'll find out" being preferable to false expertise.
Key Insights
- The term 'pre-sales' is a misnomer that silos thinking and should be retired because SEs are increasingly involved in post-sales activities, especially as companies consolidate roles and do more with fewer people in response to market pressure.
- Consumption-based pricing models are replacing per-seat pricing across the industry, which fundamentally changes the SE role from closing deals to driving post-sale product adoption and consumption to influence recurring revenue.
- SEs submitting pull requests and writing code to fix product gaps is already happening at Fortune 500 companies and startups today, not in the future, because engineering teams are overloaded and SEs have the domain expertise to identify and sometimes solve customer-specific issues.
- The distance between engineering and customer problems grows larger as organizations scale, and SEs are the only connection point that can bridge this gap by deeply understanding functional challenges and translating them into technical solutions.
- SE leaders should remain heavily involved in running deals alongside management responsibilities to stay updated on product changes, because being removed from the technology means missing critical product evolution that affects team coaching and strategy.
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Transcript
[0:00] Hey everyone and welcome to episode 37 of Diary of a Sales Engineer. I am Ryan Krueger joined with my favorite co-host Samir Saher and today we've got an exciting topic and it is one that Ryan and I talk about back and forth of just how fast the industry, the sales engineering, pre-sales solutions consulting solution industry is changing. and we were like, you know what, let's talk about it so we can see what we can do to keep our finger on the pulse and also give you guys some things [0:31] that we're seeing within the the space in order to help you try to stay prepared with all of the various different changes, the new…
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