Olivia Wilde: Dating, Double Standards & Dealing with Scrutiny
Olivia Wilde joins Alex Cooper on Call Her Daddy to discuss her new film 'The Invite,' her experiences with public scrutiny, relationships, co-parenting, and double standards facing women in Hollywood. The conversation covers her early career, her transition from acting to directing, and the profound influence of Esther Perel on her understanding of relationships and intimacy.
Summary
Olivia Wilde appears on Call Her Daddy to promote her new film 'The Invite,' a relationship drama she directed that features Esther Perel as a consultant and Penelope Cruz in a role modeled after Perel herself. Alex Cooper and Wilde bond over their shared admiration for Perel's work, with Wilde revealing that Perel was actually her therapist years ago and that her core philosophy — love as a verb requiring active engagement — deeply shaped the film's themes. The movie explores how couples drift apart through passive-aggressive non-communication, loss of desire, and the entitlement that can replace active loving in long-term relationships.
Wilde discusses her unconventional upbringing with journalist parents who were war correspondents, crediting her mother in particular for modeling what it means to be an independent, ambitious woman in a male-dominated field. She describes initially resenting her mother for not being a 'normal mom,' but later deeply appreciating the example she set about resilience, pushing through bias, and not entertaining insecurity. This foundation shaped Wilde's own approach to her career and her comfort with taking up space.
The conversation traces Wilde's early career, including her iconic roles on The OC as Alex Kelly — one of early TV's first mainstream bisexual female characters — and on House as 'Thirteen.' She recounts living on a school bus in Venice when she joined The OC, having no idea of the show's cultural magnitude. She also candidly discusses getting married at 19 at Burning Man, describing it as a characteristically spontaneous act of rebellion, and being a 25-year-old divorcee shortly after.
Wilde speaks extensively about the scrutiny she faced during the promotion of 'Don't Worry Darling,' describing it as a period of total disconnection from the fictional persona the tabloids constructed about her. She details the manufactured narratives, the disproportionate public pummeling, the 'spit gate' incident, and most significantly, being served legal papers on stage at CinemaCon — an experience she only recently feels able to discuss with some distance. She reflects that her instinct to project strength and be 'Teflon' during that period may have backfired, and that vulnerability would have been more authentic and effective.
The double standards applied to her as a mother and as an older woman dating a younger, famous man are examined in depth. Wilde notes that when her ex was photographed on a beach with a girlfriend on Thanksgiving while she had the children, the press celebrated him, whereas the same behavior from her would have been used as evidence of abandonment. She also discusses how American culture desexualizes mothers in a way that French culture does not, and how society expected her to retreat into asexual invisibility following her separation.
On her transition to directing, Wilde discusses how Book Smart transformed her career by giving her value rooted in her ideas rather than her appearance, and how Greta Gerwig's success blazed a path for female directors. She argues that the more experience a woman gains as a director, the more valuable she becomes — the inverse of the actress's situation. She also talks about how motherhood made her a better director by teaching her to remain calm under pressure and to be a more effective communicator and leader.
The episode closes with Wilde reflecting on her period of public withdrawal over the past four years, describing it as intentional and therapeutic — a time to do 'a shit ton of therapy,' rebuild herself, and find her roots again. She credits Pamela Anderson with the advice that 'the most rebellious thing you can do is stay soft,' which Wilde describes as the most important lesson she's taken from everything she endured.
About this episode
Join Alex in the studio for an interview with Olivia Wilde. Olivia opens up about the double standards she has faced in her career and the scrutiny around her dating life, parenting, and fashion choices. Olivia unpacks her new film, The Invite, and discusses the role that sex and intimacy play and the real life experiences she drew upon. She also opens up about motherhood, objectification and how her views on marriage have evolved. Enjoy!
Key Insights
- Wilde argues that marriage often kills love not because love ends, but because the contract creates entitlement that replaces the active, verb-like engagement that love requires — a framework she drew directly from Esther Perel.
- Wilde claims that being ranked number one on Maxim's 'hottest' list was psychologically dangerous because it validated a part of her that had always felt she didn't fit beauty standards, making her suddenly dependent on external approval she had never previously sought.
- Wilde argues that women do the work of the patriarchy for men by policing each other's bodies and morality, and theorizes this stems from a biological tendency toward verbal communication and connection that has been weaponized into gossip and cruelty.
- Wilde claims that her instinct to project strength and be 'Teflon' during the Don't Worry Darling media storm backfired, because audiences sensed her hidden pain and responded with more hostility — suggesting that performed invulnerability reads as inauthenticity.
- Wilde describes being served legal papers on stage at CinemaCon in front of the most powerful people in the film industry, an event she says she still processes in therapy, but which she has come to believe made her feel she could survive almost anything.
- Wilde argues that American culture desexualizes mothers in a puritanical way — she claims that in France, seeing a baby makes people think of sex, while in America it signals the end of a woman's sexual identity, whereas a man alone with a baby is perceived as attractive and capable.
- Wilde states that she and Seth Rogen both believe couples who claim to have a healthy relationship without any sexual intimacy are deceiving themselves, arguing that sex is a form of non-verbal communication and trust-building that, when absent, signals an unaddressed deeper problem.
- Wilde claims that when her ex Jason Sudeikis was photographed with his girlfriend on Thanksgiving while she had the children, the press celebrated him, but the same situation reversed would have been used as evidence of her being a negligent mother — illustrating the disproportionate moral policing of mothers.
- Wilde argues that the destruction of her public persona during the Don't Worry Darling era, while painful, enabled a full rebuild of her identity — framing rock bottom not as a failure but as the foundation from which she became a meaningfully different and better person.
- Wilde claims that the tabloid narrative machine operates entirely on confirmation bias — once a villain identity is assigned to a woman, every subsequent action is interpreted through that lens and counter-evidence is ignored because it doesn't serve the established clickbait story.
- Wilde argues that sharing custody, contrary to common fears about it harming children, can actually produce better parenting because each parent brings their best, most present self during their dedicated time, rather than two unhappy partners co-existing in the same space.
- Wilde credits Pamela Anderson with the most useful advice she received during her period of public crisis: 'the most rebellious thing you can do is stay soft,' which Wilde interprets as a call to remain emotionally vulnerable rather than hardening into invulnerability as a defense mechanism.
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