Zhang Xiaojun Podcast
Anker / Steven Yang: Consumer Electronics Death & birth, The Third Category, Product Philosophy
The interview features Steven Yang, CEO of Anker, discussing the challenges and strategic shifts within the consumer electronics industry, particularly in response to AI advancements. He emphasizes the importance of creating tangible customer value and the company's evolution from a focus on charging products to more complex technologies, including AI and chips.
Yao Shunyu: Let Me Go a Little Crazy! Training Models at Anthropic & Gemini, Heroism Is Over
Yao Shunyu, a researcher who moved from Anthropic to Google DeepMind, discusses the current state of AI model development, the competitive landscape between major AI labs, and his personal journey from theoretical physics to AI research. He shares candid views on why individual heroism has ended in AI, the importance of reliability over brilliance, and his technical perspectives on pre-training, post-training, and long-horizon tasks.
Luo Fuli: OpenClaw, Agent Frameworks — The AI Paradigm Has Already Changed Dramatically!
Luo Fuli, head of Xiaomi's large model division, describes how her firsthand experience with OpenClaw over Spring Festival 2026 fundamentally changed her understanding of AI agent frameworks as a paradigm shift — not just a product. She explains how OpenClaw's open-source, sophisticated context orchestration enabled her team to dramatically accelerate research and model training, and outlines how this Agent era demands a new approach to model architecture, post-training, and organizational design.
A 4-hour Interview with Carina Hong: AI for Math, Lean, Proofs from The Book, and Intuition
Carina Hong (洪乐潼), a 24-year-old Chinese-born founder, discusses her company Axiom, which recently closed a $200M Series A at a $1.6B valuation, focusing on AI for Math using formal proof systems like Lean. She shares her journey from competitive math olympiads in Guangzhou to MIT, Oxford, and Stanford, before dropping out to build an AI theorem-proving system that achieved the first-ever perfect score on the Putnam mathematics competition.