20VC: The Future of Datacentres: What You Need to Know | Why Everyone Gets GPU Depreciation and AI's Energy Costs Wrong | Who Really Makes Money From AI & Why Most Moats Don't Exist with Chase Lochmiller
Chase Lochmiller, CEO of Crusoe Energy, discusses how data centers and AI infrastructure are becoming critical bottlenecks, arguing that energy-distributed computing rather than centralized hubs will power AI's future, and that vertical integration across data centers, GPUs, and inference services creates sustainable competitive advantages in the AI infrastructure space.
Summary
Chase Lochmiller shares his journey from theoretical physics and quantitative finance to founding Crusoe Energy, explaining how mountaineering principles of resilience, planning for contingencies, and safety culture inform his business approach. He discusses Crusoe's evolution from Bitcoin mining monetization to becoming a comprehensive AI infrastructure company providing data centers, GPU capacity, and managed inference services.
On data center supply constraints, Lochmiller explains that the real bottleneck is not GPUs themselves but physical locations to deploy them. He details Crusoe's vertical integration strategy, including in-house electrical manufacturing, which enabled them to deliver 200+ megawatts of compute capacity in Abilene, Texas in one year versus competitors' 2.5-year timelines. The company designed custom power distribution centers internally because vendor lead times were 100 weeks, reducing this to 28 weeks through internal manufacturing.
Regarding infrastructure location, Lochmiller argues that AI workloads don't require centralized hubs like Northern Virginia because compute time dominates over network latency. He believes distributed data centers in low-cost, abundant energy regions represent the future. He addresses common misconceptions: data centers use minimal water (their 140MW Abilene facilities use about as much as 10 homes annually), and energy prices actually decrease in communities receiving data center investments as they catalyze new power generation capacity.
Lochmiller discusses Crusoe's three core revenue products: data centers, GPUs, and tokens (inference). The managed inference business currently has the highest margins due to supply scarcity. He uses an oil and gas analogy, positioning Crusoe as an "AI supermajor" vertically integrated across upstream (energy), midstream (infrastructure), and downstream (services), allowing margin flexibility across the value chain as commodity prices fluctuate.
On GPU depreciation, he challenges conventional wisdom that chips become worthless after three years. Hopper GPUs command higher rental rates today than when new three years ago. He attributes this to developer ingenuity in creating valuable applications. The company uses six-year depreciation cycles and plans to extend this through service-based monetization of older chips.
Lochmiller addresses political concerns about data centers, acknowledging legitimate anxiety about job displacement but arguing data has shown data centers create significant employment in skilled trades and blue-collar sectors. He emphasizes that communities see tangible benefits: Crusoe will represent a third of Abilene's tax revenue and has more than doubled school tax receipts.
On competitive moats, he states a significant shift in his thinking: most moats are illusions and ephemeral, especially amid accelerating technological progress. Success depends on speed and adaptability rather than sustainable competitive advantages. He estimates approximately 50% of planned data centers won't be built due to permitting, entitlements, land acquisition, and utility interconnection challenges.
Regarding open versus closed models, Crusoe's data shows users spend more money on closed-source frontier models but generate more total tokens using open-source models. He believes both will persist, with companies increasingly fine-tuning models on private data for domain-specific applications.
On work-life balance, Lochmiller prioritizes parenting through red-eye flights to avoid missing bedtimes, protecting morning hours with family as unreachable time, and being home most weekends for children's activities. He disagrees with concerns about wealth inequality, arguing that the value created by AI's abundant intelligence far exceeds the market cap concentration.
About this episode
<p>Chase Lochmiller is the Co-founder and CEO of Crusoe. Crusoe builds and powers the data centres that companies use to train and run AI. It has raised approximately $6.4 billion in equity, including its latest $3.9 billion Series F at a $30.9 billion valuation. Its backers include NVIDIA, Founders Fund, Gavin Baker's Atreides Management, Mubadala Capital and Valor Equity Partners.</p> <p>AGENDA:</p> <p>04:40 What Does Climbing Everest Teach You About Building a Company?<br /> 17:40 What's Really Stopping Us From Building Enough AI Data Centres?<br /> 25:50 Are Data Centres Really Driving Up Your Energy Bills?<br /> 28:05 Will Half of Planned AI Data Centres Never Get Built?<br /> 32:10 How Quickly Can a GPU Pay for Itself?<br /> 38:35 Will Your GPUs Become Obsolete Before You've Paid Them Off?<br /> 44:20 What Does It Take to Produce the Cheapest Intelligence?<br /> 49:50 Will Companies Building Their Own Models Eat Into OpenAI's Business?<br /> 51:55 Can You Build a $30B Company and Still Be a Great Dad?</p> <p> </p>
Key Insights
- Lochmiller argues that energy availability and cost, not GPU scarcity, represents the actual bottleneck preventing AI infrastructure deployment at required scale.
- The company achieved 200+ megawatts of deployment in one year by vertically integrating electrical manufacturing in-house, reducing critical component lead times from 100 weeks to 28 weeks.
- AI workloads fundamentally differ from traditional cloud computing because compute latency dominates network latency, making distributed energy-rich regions viable instead of centralized hubs like Northern Virginia.
- Crusoe's vertically integrated model across data centers, GPU provision, and inference services mirrors oil supermajors' upstream-midstream-downstream structure, allowing margins to shift profitably across layers as commodity prices fluctuate.
- Hopper GPU rental rates are higher today (three years post-launch) than they were when first released, contradicting conventional wisdom that chips depreciate rapidly once newer generations arrive.
- Data centers use minimal water (Crusoe's 140MW Abilene facilities use equivalent to 10 homes annually) and actually drive down local energy costs by catalyzing new generation capacity, contrary to common public perception.
- Lochmiller states he has fundamentally changed his view: most competitive moats are illusions, particularly during periods of accelerating technological progress, making adaptability and speed more valuable than defensible advantages.
- Approximately 50% of planned data center projects fail to reach completion due to permitting, land acquisition, utility interconnection, and other entitlement challenges across the supply chain.
- Users spend more total money on closed-source frontier models but generate more tokens overall using open-source models, indicating a bifurcated market where both categories will persist long-term.
- The managed inference business commands the highest margins of Crusoe's three products due to acute supply constraints, though this advantage depends on sustained capacity scarcity.
- Lochmiller attributes his financial success and risk-taking capacity to having achieved financial security before starting Crusoe, enabling him to pursue ambitious moonshots without downside protection concerns.
- He argues that data center investments create measurable community benefits including job creation in skilled trades, tax revenue transformation (Crusoe will provide one-third of Abilene's tax revenue), and improved services, directly contradicting political narratives of pure extraction.
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Transcript
So absent having a purpose, I was like, man, I guess I should get rich. That's maybe the next best thing to having a monastic calling that you're devoted to. The infrastructure to support AI wasn't going to be centralized. It was going to be distributed where energy was low cost and abundant. Energy prices actually come down. It's actually the opposite of the narrative that's being told. People are very emotional about data centers. There's really three products that we ultimately sell to customers where we're making money. We can sell data centers, we can sell GPUs, and we can sell tokens. Well, the GPU is actually the most valuable thing in the entire data center. Most moats are…
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