#296 Meg Appelgate - Why Parents Are Being Lied To About Teen “Treatment”
Meg Applegate, founder of Unsilenced nonprofit, shares her harrowing experience as a survivor of the troubled teen industry, including being abducted from her bed at 15 and held in abusive facilities for 3.5 years. She discusses the systemic abuse in these unregulated facilities and her current advocacy work to protect children and hold institutions accountable.
Summary
This interview features Meg Applegate, founder and CEO of Unsilenced, a nonprofit serving victims of institutional child abuse. Applegate, who was adopted at birth, describes her tumultuous teenage years which began with normal adolescent behavior like smoking marijuana and meeting people online. After a traumatic incident involving sexual assault by a stranger, she was expelled from school and subsequently abducted from her bed at 2 AM by two off-duty police officers hired by her parents. She was taken to Intermountain Hospital in Boise, Idaho, where she was heavily medicated, placed on 'desk space' and 'random draw' systems designed to strip away her autonomy, and witnessed violent restraints and forced injections on other children. After six months, she was transferred to Chrysalis, a therapeutic boarding school in rural Montana, where she lived with nine other girls and a married couple who served as therapists. At Chrysalis, she endured psychological manipulation through 'Circle' sessions - group confrontations lasting up to four hours where girls were systematically shamed and broken down. The facility employed cult-like tactics, making the girls consider each other 'Chrysalis sisters' and the staff their 'family.' Applegate describes inappropriate physical contact from the male therapist, including wrestling matches and painful 'affection' squeezes. She was brainwashed to the point of considering returning as staff after graduation. It wasn't until she had her own children in her 30s that she began to recognize the abuse, triggered by her husband's experience in an abusive rehab facility. This led to her founding Unsilenced in 2022, which maintains an archive of over 3,500 troubled teen industry programs and has facilitated over 200 lawsuits. The organization provides legal advocacy, survivor support groups, and resources for aging-out youth. Applegate estimates 150,000-200,000 children are placed in these largely unregulated facilities annually, with minimal federal oversight and inadequate state regulation. She advocates for comprehensive reform while acknowledging that some people have positive experiences in these programs.
About this episode
Meg Appelgate is the Founder and CEO of Unsilenced, a nonprofit organization launched in January 2022 to support past, present, and future victims of institutional child abuse. A survivor of the Troubled Teen Industry (TTI), Meg was abducted from her bed at age 15 and confined in abusive facilities for three and a half years—an experience that drives her mission to expose systemic abuse and fight for reform. Her 2024 memoir, Becoming UNSILENCED: Surviving the Troubled Teen Industry, chronicles her harrowing journey and transformation into one of the leading national voices demanding change. In 2023, she testified as an expert before the Montana State Senate, helping secure passage of HB 218, landmark legislation increasing oversight and regulation of TTI programs. Her work continues to empower survivors while pushing for transparency, accountability, and legal reform across the industry. Alongside her advocacy, Meg serves as Vice President and Managing Director of the Gochnauer Foundation, supporting philanthropic initiatives aligned with justice and healing. She lives with her husband, Ben, and their four children, dedicating her life to ensuring that no child endures what she once did. Shawn Ryan Show Sponsors: Go to https://calderalab.com/SRS and use code SRS for 20% off your first order. If you’re serious about selling to the Department of War, go to https://SBIRAdvisors.com and mention Shawn Ryan for your first month free. Live better longer with BUBS Naturals. Get 20% OFF on collagen, MCT creamers, and more with code SHAWN at https://bubsnaturals.com/srs Don’t let your money sit around—put it to work with Stash. Go to https://get.stash.com/SRS to see how you can receive $25 towards your first stock purchase and to view important disclosures Meg Appelgate Links: Personal Website - www.megappelgate.com Memoir - https://a.co/d/3P5hM37 IG - https://www.instagram.com/megappelgate TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@megappelgate Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/Megappelgate1 X - https://x.com/megappelgate Unsilenced Website - www.unsilenced.org Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Key Insights
- The troubled teen industry originated from Native American boarding schools in the 1800s that forcibly removed children to strip them of their culture
- Facilities routinely use 'transporters' to abduct children from their beds at night, using identical scripted language like 'we can do this the easy way or the hard way'
- Programs employ behavior modification through level systems, random consequences, and removing all autonomy to create learned helplessness in children
- Religious programs within the troubled teen industry tend to have more severe abuse and less accountability due to nonprofit exemptions from licensing
- Many facilities heavily medicate children with antipsychotics and mood stabilizers, often diagnosing bipolar disorder within days of arrival
- The industry operates as a pipeline where wilderness programs typically refer children to longer-term residential facilities rather than allowing them to return home
- Programs use monitored communication and fear tactics to prevent children from reporting abuse to their parents during the entire stay
- Cult-like indoctrination makes children view the facility as their 'family' and other residents as 'sisters,' creating loyalty that prevents disclosure
- Montana moved oversight of these programs from the Department of Labor to Health and Human Services only in 2019, causing half the programs to shut down
- An estimated 150,000-200,000 children are placed in these facilities annually across a $23 billion industry backed by private equity
- Many survivors don't recognize their experiences as abuse until decades later, often triggered by having their own children
- The industry enables predators to move between facilities when allegations arise, with no tracking system or background check requirements
- Programs often rebrand under new LLCs when facing lawsuits or bad publicity, operating in the same location with the same staff
- Survivors commonly develop complex PTSD, struggle with relationships, and have higher rates of substance abuse and suicide
- There is no federal oversight of these facilities, leaving regulation entirely to individual states with widely varying standards
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Transcript
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