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How Logan Fullmer Buys Properties Nobody Else Can Touch

Logan Fulmer, a curative title investor, discusses how he built a business acquiring properties with complex title issues that most investors avoid, solving legal complications to unlock equity. He has reduced his cash conversion cycle to 90-120 days, manages 220 properties in inventory, and shares his strategies for deal sourcing, team training, scaling without personal involvement, and navigating the ethical dimensions of distressed property investing.

Summary

Logan Fulmer returns for his third interview to discuss advances in his curative title investing business since previous conversations. Curative title investing involves purchasing properties with defective titles—missing owners, fractured estates, liens, broken chains of title—at steep discounts, resolving legal complications, and selling for market value.

Significant operational improvements have been achieved in reducing the cash conversion cycle from 12-18 months to 90-120 days across his six companies. This acceleration comes from two sources: stricter upstream vetting to avoid overly complicated deals (rejecting properties with 65+ owners in favor of 1-3 owner situations), and improved project management through systematic follow-up with lawyers, sellers, and affidavit providers.

Financing has evolved substantially. The business started with $250,000 initial capital twelve years ago. Rather than paying off all debts upon acquisition, Logan now negotiates deferred payment of taxes, judgments, and liens until closing, reducing per-deal cash outlay to $5,000-$20,000 on average. The company maintains approximately $6-7 million in deployed capital across 220 properties. Early discipline of reinvesting profits rather than taking distributions enabled this growth; recent years have allowed meaningful personal distributions while maintaining capital discipline.

Lead sourcing has evolved from cold calling and direct mail to AI-enhanced list building. Using proprietary data on historical deals, Logan's team now achieves 90% confidence in lead quality through software filtering, compared to traditional scraping methods. Cold calling remains the primary contact method, with top performers converting at 4 conversations to 1 deal, compared to worst performers at 20 conversations to 1 deal. Success depends on calling the right people (those disassociated from properties, with delinquent taxes, multiple owners) and following a scripted conversation framework covering introduction, rapport-building, barrier-breaking, discovery, gap-building, and soft offers.

Deal evaluation emphasizes margin of safety over profit margin. Logan targets large discounts specifically to account for unknown complications and surprises, with the margin converting to profit if unexpected issues don't materialize. The company has experienced losses on approximately a dozen deals over ten years, representing less than 1% of the portfolio. A recent example involved a $250,000 property where an unforeseen $30,000 tax bill reduced expected profit from $250,000 to $220,000, but the deal remained profitable due to sufficient margin.

Human factors often exceed technical complexity. Logan estimates 50-70% of deal difficulties stem from non-technical issues: owners not caring about the property, family conflicts preventing cooperation, bandwidth limitations, or personality mismatches rather than actual title defects. He explicitly avoids deals where the owner-occupant refuses cooperation, finding sufficient alternative opportunities.

Scaling has been achieved through training and delegation rather than personal involvement in every deal. Team members are trained on foundational problems and simpler deal categories, allowing capability building without requiring ten years of experience. The coaching program creates deal-capable practitioners within 90-120 days. As the business grew, Logan realized this isn't "rocket science" requiring unique expertise; instead, it requires systematic frameworks, good judgment, and persistence that can be taught.

Ethical positioning involves radical transparency about property values and buyer capabilities. When approached, Logan clarifies that properties with unsolved title problems are worth zero until resolved, explicitly states his profit-making intent, and encourages sellers to pursue alternative solutions if available. He notes that roughly 90% of prospects have already tried solving problems themselves and don't care. Logan refuses to work with people he believes are dishonest, given the abundance of alternatives.

Competition remains minimal despite increased awareness of curative title investing. With 5 million distressed properties nationally and only 200-300 deals completed annually by Logan's operations, market saturation is not imminent. One partner expanded to Dallas (considered Texas's most competitive market) and identified millions in equity with minimal competition. Competition requires direct deal overlap; operators in different counties or states aren't truly competitive.

AI integration focuses on outsourcing rather than building custom solutions. Rather than developing proprietary software, Logan's team uses existing platforms (Pro Title USA for title research, Claude for content, specialized deal-vetting software) at monthly costs of $200-$700, recognizing that his hourly value exceeds development costs. A significant exception involves Claude-based content creation for social media, where custom agents improved organic reach from 5 million to 15-20 million monthly views in 90 days by analyzing successful content patterns from historical training materials.

Key personality requirements for success include discipline and genuine willingness to work hard. Logan emphasizes that the business generates multiples of typical professional income but demands equivalent effort and sacrifice. Discipline includes saying "no" to tempting bad deals and maintaining capital reserves rather than over-leveraging through private lending.

About this episode

284: In this episode of the REtipster Podcast, I'm sitting down with Logan Fullmer for our third deep dive into curative title investing, a real estate strategy built around properties most investors won't touch. (Show Notes: REtipster.com/284) Logan buys ownership interests in properties with broken chains of title, unresolved estates, multiple owners, liens, judgments, delinquent taxes, and other problems that can make conventional buyers walk away. But this conversation goes well beyond ex...

Key Insights

  • Logan reduced his cash conversion cycle from 12-18 months to 90-120 days by implementing stricter upstream vetting to avoid overly complex deals and improving internal project management, allowing capital to turn twice annually.
  • The average deal now costs $5,000-$20,000 in cash outlay because Logan defers payment of taxes, judgments, and liens until closing rather than paying them upfront, freeing capital for additional acquisitions.
  • Logan estimates 50-70% of deal difficulties stem from human factors like family conflict, lack of owner interest, or bandwidth limitations rather than technical title problems.
  • Top cold callers in Logan's operation convert at 4 conversations per deal compared to worst performers at 20 conversations per deal, difference driven by calling the right prospects rather than outbound volume.
  • Logan explicitly avoids working with properties where the owner-occupant refuses cooperation, stating there are sufficient alternative deals that pursuing uninterested parties wastes resources.
  • Logan targets large purchase discounts as a margin of safety to account for unknown complications; if complications don't materialize, the margin converts to profit rather than representing lost upside.
  • AI integration focuses on paying for existing platforms ($200-$700 monthly) rather than developing custom solutions, since Logan's hourly value exceeds development costs; the one exception is Claude-based content agents that increased social media reach from 5 to 15-20 million monthly views.
  • Logan refuses to work with sellers he believes are being dishonest, despite potential profitability, because the abundance of alternative deals makes this ethical filter economically rational.
  • With 5 million distressed properties nationally and only 200-300 deals completed by Logan's operations annually, competition remains immaterial even in supposedly saturated markets like Dallas, where one partner identified millions in equity in 45 days.
  • Curative title investing can be taught effectively within 90-120 days through training on foundational problems and simpler deal types, contradicting Logan's initial belief that 10 years of personal experience was necessary.
  • Logan claims the business generates multiples of typical professional income but demands equivalent effort and sacrifice, requiring genuine discipline rather than passive participation.
  • Logan's operational decisions prioritize simplicity and focus on activities generating highest hourly returns (training, capital management, deal vetting) over low-return activities like custom software development or excessive deal complexity.

Topics

Curative Title Investing StrategyCash Conversion Cycle OptimizationDeal Financing and Capital ManagementLead Generation and Cold CallingHuman Factors vs. Technical ComplexityMargin of Safety and Risk ManagementTeam Training and Scaling Without Personal InvolvementEthical Boundaries in Distressed InvestingCompetition and Market SaturationAI and Software IntegrationDeal Examples and Loss CasesPersonality and Discipline Requirements

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