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Land Investing From Across the World w/ Max and Lucas Canevaro

The Real Deal w/ Neil Clements1h 4m

Max and Lucas Canevaro, Argentinian brothers based in Europe and South America respectively, discuss how they built a U.S. land business remotely by leveraging AI to automate underwriting before lead generation, shifting from quantity-based scaling to quality-focused deals in subdivisions and land-home packages. They emphasize that while AI provides productivity gains, the human element—particularly seller relationships and expertise—remains irreplaceable, and success requires continuous learning and adaptation rather than tool dependency.

Summary

Max and Lucas Canevaro are brothers with Italian heritage born in Argentina, raised in Italy, and now based in Europe and South America respectively. They operate a U.S. land investment business remotely, specializing in subdivisions and land-home packages. Max works for a major American company while running the business from Italy, while Lucas is fully committed to the business from Brazil. They also have a third brother, Mauro, managing finances and operations.

The brothers initially questioned why pursue U.S. land investing when their family had real estate experience in South America. Max wanted to recreate childhood memories of land ownership, but Lucas convinced him that South American markets lack the stability and remote-work infrastructure of the U.S. Lucas explained that while he built a successful company scaling to 200 people across five countries in South America, entrepreneurship anchored him to those locations. The U.S. land market, with its data systems and technology infrastructure, allowed him to achieve the "second divorce"—working and living in different places—which was essential to his vision of freedom.

The brothers began with house flipping but quickly realized margins were insufficient. They explored tax liens and tax deeds before being directed by Emmanuel toward raw land investing. They scaled rapidly, eventually doing 70-100 transactions annually, but discovered this quantity-based approach was unsustainable. They were working extreme hours (sleeping 5 hours daily for 4 years), incurring massive infrastructure and team costs, and receiving thin margins despite high volume. The turning point came at the end of 2025 when they realized they needed to shift from quality-to-quantity strategy to focus on larger deals with better margins.

The critical innovation was implementing AI agents to move the underwriting bottleneck from after lead generation to before mailer deployment. Rather than sending 7,000 mailers to receive 500 leads and then underwriting them, they now use AI agents to:

- Scan regulations across multiple counties

- Map parent and child parcel relationships for subdivision potential

- Perform full underwriting and subdivision sketches before any marketing outreach

- Design underwriting protocols that perform better than their senior human underwriter

This required approximately 4 months of training the AI system (1-2 months for initial development, 2-3 months for refinement), with the final 20% of accuracy taking the longest. The complexity arose from the infinite variability of individual parcels and unforeseen situations, requiring continuous prompt refinement. The investment in AI training is cumulative—each hour improves the system permanently, unlike managing human employees who require repetitive training.

The results have been dramatic: they can now identify 500 highly qualified leads through continuous mailers to the same three counties rather than blasting mailers across six counties. This concentration strategy builds local expertise and relationships, eventually leading to off-market deals from real estate agents who trust their business. They've shifted from hiring acquisition managers and building bloated teams to a lean two-person operation that generates better bottom-line results.

However, the brothers emphasize that AI is not a complete replacement for human judgment. When they attempted to delegate acquisitions to hired managers, deal flow dropped significantly despite those managers' experience. They found that the personal connection, trust-building, and ability to understand seller motivations—skills developed over years—directly impact conversion rates. They returned to closing deals themselves, recognizing that paying an acquisition manager to buy at market value (rather than discount) made no economic sense.

On the future of AI in land investing, Lucas argues that AI will quickly become commoditized and won't provide lasting competitive advantage. History shows that each innovation (letters, email, eventually inbound marketing) initially provides advantage but eventually becomes baseline. The real competitive advantages will come from operational innovation—doing different things rather than using the same tools better. Examples include: pursuing more complex markets (major subdivisions, building roads, bringing utilities), paying market value while creating value through development, novel value propositions (partnership models), or niche specialization (solving title issues).

The brothers also discuss their evolution in identifying what only they can do. After repeatedly seeing deal flow drop when they attempted to leverage out of acquisitions, they recognized their personal involvement in seller conversations was irreplaceable. This led them to reconsider their position: rather than scaling through teams, they focus on larger deals where their expertise commands better margins, and they maintain personal involvement in critical relationship-building activities.

On pivoting versus persisting, Max emphasizes becoming an expert first, as expertise enables recognizing when genuine market changes require adaptation versus grass-is-greener thinking. Lucas advocates for the "80/20 rule"—dedicating 80% to proven systems while dedicating 20% to continuous exploration, preventing both scattered focus and dangerous stagnation. He argues that human nature defaults to laziness once survival is achieved, causing people to stop learning and become vulnerable to disruption. The best scenario is defeating yourself through continuous innovation rather than being defeated by competitors.

Both brothers acknowledge the current market downturn and industry consolidation as a rare opportunity window. As less adaptable operators quit and the next boom hasn't yet attracted new entrants, today's market rewards those willing to unlearn and relearn. This window likely won't persist once the market recovers and new operators enter.

About this episode

47: In this episode of The Real Deal with Neil, I sit down with brothers Max and Lucas Canevaro to unpack how they built a U.S. land investing business while living outside the United States and how AI is completely changing the way they find and underwrite deals. Their business once generated roughly 500 leads per month and sent tens of thousands of mailers, but scaling lead volume also scaled their expenses, systems, and team. Eventually, they realized they couldn't simply do more. They had...

Key Insights

  • The brothers discovered that U.S. land investing, despite being their first choice for international expansion, succeeded specifically because American data systems and infrastructure enabled truly remote operations, whereas South American markets require physical presence.
  • After 4 years of extreme work (5 hours sleep daily), doing 70-100 transactions annually, the brothers realized high-volume, low-margin deals created unsustainable costs not just in direct marketing but in all downstream infrastructure and team management.
  • Max and Lucas developed AI agents that perform full underwriting and subdivision analysis before sending any mailers, inverting the traditional workflow where leads are generated first and then evaluated—this reduced their marketing volume from 7,000 to generating the same 500 qualified leads.
  • The AI training process took 4 months total because while 80% of capability came quickly (1-2 months), the remaining 20% required handling infinite variability and unforeseen parcel situations, with each refinement permanently improving the system unlike human employee retraining.
  • Despite having acquisition managers and scaled teams, deal conversion dropped significantly when the brothers stepped back, revealing that their personal involvement in seller conversations was the actual conversion driver, making the acquisition manager expense economically unjustifiable.
  • Lucas argues that AI competitive advantage is temporary because all productivity tools eventually become commoditized baseline expectations; real differentiation comes from doing fundamentally different things like pursuing complex subdivisions, paying market value while creating value, or niche specialization.
  • The brothers practiced a concentrated geographic strategy of continuous mailers to the same three counties to build local expertise and relationships, which eventually generated off-market deals from real estate agents, rather than spreading thin across multiple markets.
  • Max emphasizes that expertise must precede pivot decisions—without becoming expert in current operations, distinguishing between genuine market changes requiring adaptation versus mere 'grass is greener' thinking becomes impossible.
  • Lucas advocates dedicating 80% of effort to proven systems while maintaining 20% exploration time, arguing that humans naturally default to laziness once survival is achieved and stop learning unless deliberately maintaining curiosity.
  • The brothers identified that the most valuable use of their time is not closing every deal personally but rather building relationships with county planning directors, health departments, and surveyors—relationships that provide lasting competitive advantage.
  • They shifted from pursuing both flips and subdivisions to specializing in subdivisions with land-home packages and major subdivisions, recognizing that focusing depth on fewer deal types allowed better underwriting quality and market positioning.
  • Current market conditions represent a rare opportunity window where experienced, adaptable operators face minimal competition from either quitting incumbents or new market entrants, creating unusual leverage for those willing to continuously reinvent rather than rely on established models.

Topics

International land investing from outside the United StatesAI automation in real estate underwriting and lead qualificationShift from quantity-based to quality-based scaling strategiesSubdivision and land-home package developmentRemote business operations and systems infrastructureHuman relationships as irreplaceable business elementsMarket adaptation and continuous learning as competitive advantagesOperational innovation versus tool dependencyTeam management and when to leverage out versus stay involvedCurrent market downturn as opportunity for specialistsThe commoditization of AI tools over timeBuilding local expertise and relationships in concentrated markets

Transcript

Stride CRM automatically records and transcribes every seller call. You can search by keyword, review calls instantly, and never lose important details again. Forget paying for separate call recording or transcription apps. Stride does it all. Visit stridecrm.co and see how much time and money it saves you. You're listening to the REtipster Podcast Network. Hi, everyone. This is Neil Clements, and this is The Real Deal with Neil. Today, we have a special episode. We have the Cannavaro brothers, Max and Lucas, coming to us from all over the world. We've got an international call today and very happy to have them on with us. They're running a U.S. land business, but not based here. And they've also got…

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