THESE JOBS WILL DISAPPEAR FIRST!
A former Google engineer discusses AI's risks, job disruption, and the misuse of technology by governments and corporations. He expresses concern not about AI itself, but about humans directing AI against humanity. Despite short-term pessimism, he claims optimism about the long-term future.
Summary
The transcript opens with the speaker making a provocative claim about evidence of child abuse going unpunished, framing it as a symptom of a broken democratic system. He argues that humanity is at a crossroads, asserting that what people believe to be democracy is not true democracy, and that commonly accepted truths are being distorted.
The speaker, a former Google employee, reflects on his time there, describing how he and his colleagues genuinely believed they were building technology to improve the world. However, he describes a pivotal moment of disillusionment when he realized the technology might not be used as intended. He emphasizes that AI itself is not the enemy — his fear is that humans will instruct AI to act against humanity.
The interviewer, Stephen, raises a series of pointed questions about job disruption from AI, the risks of models that even their creators don't fully understand, whether Sam Altman is genuinely pro-humanity, how ethical AI can emerge given competitive incentive structures, and whether there is a path where AI becomes net positive for humanity.
The speaker pushes back against the notion that negative AI outcomes are inevitable, rejecting the idea that humanity is pre-programmed to accept them without resistance, and promises to discuss solutions. When asked about optimism, he expresses strong optimism about the long-term future but notably states he is not optimistic about the next year — stopping short of elaborating when pressed by the interviewer.
About this episode
Mo Gawdat believes up to 30% of jobs in certain sectors could disappear by 2028. That stopped me in my tracks. Mo was one of the first people to come on this podcast and warn me about AI, long before most of the world was talking about it. At the time, it felt early. Now, it feels like the world is catching up to what he was seeing. I’m still trying to understand what AI actually means for our lives. Not just whether it can write emails, create images or make us more productive. I mean what it does to jobs. What it does to power. What it does to education. What it does to human connection… That’s why I wanted to have this discussion with Mo again. What makes Mo worth listening to is that he saw these systems inside Google years before most of us had even heard the term AI. His book *Scary Smart* now feels like it was written for this exact moment. Let me explain why this discussion matters. Mo believes we’re not just entering an AI revolution. We’re entering a period where AI, robotics, economics, surveillance, digital currencies and global instability are all colliding at the same time. That’s a lot for any of us to process. We spoke about: - The jobs Mo believes are most at risk from AI. - Why he believes that AI is actually underhyped! - The mistake almost everyone is making with ChatGPT. - The prediction that changed even his own view of the future. The part that stayed with me was this idea that human connection may become the real currency. Because if AI can produce the information, write the report, analyse the data, then what is left? I don’t think this conversation gives neat answers. That’s probably why it’s worth watching. It helped me think more honestly about what’s coming.
Key Insights
- The speaker argues that AI itself is not the threat — the real danger is humans deliberately directing AI to work against humanity, a distinction he draws from his experience at Google.
- The speaker claims that society has been 'pre-programmed' to believe negative AI outcomes are inevitable and unchangeable, a framing he explicitly rejects, insisting solutions exist.
- When asked about optimism, the speaker draws a sharp distinction between being very optimistic about the long-term future while being explicitly not optimistic about the next year, though he declines to explain why.
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Transcript
[0:00] We have video evidence of people abusing children and not a single person got arrested. How can you call [music] that a democracy? So, humanity is at a crossroads where for the first time ever [music] we need to wake up and realize that we're ruled by maniacs and what we believe is democracy is not democracy and what we know is not [music] the truth. Like companies and governments will blame the geopolitical and economic [music] challenges we have on AI, but the truth is AI is not the enemy. Like I'm not worried about AI turning I'm [0:31] [music] worried about humans telling AI to turn against us. Like when I worked at Google, we were building…
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