Sujo John
Sujo John, a 9/11 survivor who worked on the 81st floor of the North Tower, recounts his harrowing escape and his wife's near-miss working on the 71st floor of the South Tower. He discusses his journey from India to America, his faith experience during the attacks, and his current mission to combat human trafficking through his organization You Can Free Us.
Summary
The episode features an in-depth conversation between Marcus Luttrell and Sujo John about John's experience surviving the 9/11 attacks. Sujo came to America in February 2001 with only $50 in his wallet, immigrating from Calcutta, India with his pregnant wife. Both he and his wife found work at the World Trade Center within weeks—he on the 81st floor of the North Tower in telecommunications marketing, she on the 71st floor of the South Tower at Morgan Stanley. In the days before 9/11, Sujo experienced several significant spiritual moments: giving a large donation to missionary work, signing a life insurance policy, and sending an email at 8:05 AM expressing his desire to fulfill God's calling. When the first plane hit at 8:46 AM, Sujo was on the 81st floor and felt the violent impact. He and 27 colleagues evacuated down the stairwell, passing firefighters heading upward. During the descent, he re-entered the building on the 53rd floor to find his wife using a landline, unable to reach her. When the South Tower collapsed, Sujo was caught in the debris cloud near the concourse level. He prayed with others as he faced what he believed was death, and was rescued by FBI agent Lenny Hayden, who helped him escape but then returned to save others and died when the North Tower collapsed. Sujo's wife had been delayed getting to work and was standing at street level when the South Tower was hit; she survived by witnessing the attacks but not being inside the building. After being rescued, Sujo was reunited with his wife through a phone call at a store near Canal Street. The couple had their son Jeremy, who is now 24 and attending medical school, despite doctors recommending abortion due to complications from Sujo's wife's exposure during 9/11. Sujo discusses how 9/11 forced him to confront questions about faith and mortality, leading to a spiritual commitment to share his story and faith. He transitioned from the business world to humanitarian work, eventually founding You Can Free Us, an organization fighting human trafficking and modern slavery. The organization has rescued women and rehabilitated trafficking victims in India, Poland, and Ukraine, and currently cares for about 1,000 children from trafficked communities. Sujo emphasizes that America's greatness is rooted in Judeo-Christian principles and warns against removing God from the national foundation. He plans to be at Ground Zero for the 25th anniversary of 9/11 to do media interviews and pay respects. Marcus shares his own experience of being in advanced SEAL training in Florida when he learned of the attacks, and how it changed everything for the military community, opening resources and creating a unified national purpose. Both men discuss the long-term impact of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the sacrifice of soldiers, and how the initial unity after 9/11 eventually faded. They reflect on mortality, legacy, and the importance of faith, discussing how people who face death develop a different perspective on life and possessions.
Key Insights
- Sujo John arrived in America with only $50 and found employment at the World Trade Center within weeks through his own initiative and work ethic, exemplifying the opportunity structure of American capitalism.
- Both Sujo and his pregnant wife worked in the Twin Towers—he on the 81st floor and she on the 71st floor—representing an extraordinary coincidence of proximity to the attacks.
- In the days immediately before 9/11, Sujo experienced spiritual conviction: he gave away more money than ever before to missionary work and felt God tell him 'I don't need your money, I need your heart,' causing him to reassess his priorities.
- Sujo sent an email at 8:05 AM on 9/11 expressing spiritual confusion about his life direction and desire to be used by God, approximately 40 minutes before the first plane struck.
- During evacuation, Sujo passed hundreds of firefighters ascending the stairwell and later learned that FBI agent Lenny Hayden, who rescued him from the debris, returned to save more people and died in the North Tower collapse.
- Sujo's wife survived because she was delayed in traffic and was only just arriving at street level when the South Tower was hit, preventing her from being in the building; she witnessed her husband's orange-tied colleagues jumping from the towers while searching for him.
- Despite medical advice to abort their child due to the mother's exposure to toxins during 9/11, Sujo and his wife chose to have their son Jeremy, who is now 24 and attending medical school.
- Sujo argues that America's foundational greatness stems specifically from Judeo-Christian principles established by the nation's founders, and warns that removing God from the national picture would reduce America to 'just another country.'
- After 9/11, Sujo saw a red-light district in India and felt he had 'something common' with enslaved women because he had been physically rescued, which became the founding motivation for his anti-trafficking organization You Can Free Us.
- You Can Free Us has grown to care for approximately 1,000 children from trafficked communities and operates in multiple countries including India, Poland, and Ukraine, funded through donations and supported by Sujo's speaking engagements.
- Marcus Luttrell describes the immediate aftermath of 9/11 in the military as opening unlimited resources and creating a 'Wild West' environment where special operations forces were given complete operational freedom with minimal oversight or questioning.
- Both Sujo and Marcus identify that people who have faced death develop a distinctive physical appearance in their eyes—a specific redness and darkness—that is recognizable to others who have survived similar experiences, creating a shared understanding.
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