Can You Still Be Tracked If You Turn Your Phone Off?
A discussion on digital surveillance reveals that phones, smart devices, and government agencies collect extensive personal data. While turning phones off provides some privacy protection, numerous alternative tracking vectors exist including cameras, license plate readers, and smart home devices that create a comprehensive surveillance ecosystem.
Summary
The conversation explores the multiple ways individuals can be tracked despite efforts to limit surveillance. The speaker discusses how modern phones cannot have batteries removed, and while phones being off is better for privacy than being on, the possibility exists that governments could make phones appear off while still functioning. However, leaving a phone behind is insufficient to avoid surveillance entirely due to alternative tracking methods.
The discussion covers numerous household and external devices that collect data. Smart TVs capture viewing habits through screen capture technology, with the low cost of TVs subsidized by data collection and sale. Robot vacuums with cameras have been involved in privacy scandals, including capturing intimate moments, with data potentially being shared with foreign entities like Chinese companies. Smart speakers and Alexa devices have microphones that collect voice data used for AI training, creating potential vectors for hacking by criminals or nation-states.
A significant focus is placed on the U.S. Postal Service's data collection practices. The speaker filed a lawsuit represented by the Harvard Cyber Law Clinic after the USPS stonewalled for three years on providing Privacy Act documents. The concern is that USPS is linking physical location data (where people live) with digital identifiers (phone numbers, emails) collected through informed delivery and address change forms.
Regarding whether phones listen to conversations, the speaker found no credible evidence of 24/7 listening but acknowledges many people experience suspicious coincidences where relevant ads appear after conversations. He suggests that while keyword-triggered recording is theoretically possible, researchers would likely detect the data transmissions if widespread listening occurred. The overall message emphasizes that comprehensive surveillance involves multiple overlapping technologies and data sources beyond just smartphones.
About this episode
Investigative journalist Byron Tau sits down with Shawn Ryan to break down just how much data the devices around us may be collecting. From phones, Ring cameras, license plate readers, and toll transponders to smart TVs, robot vacuums, and Alexa, Tau explains the growing number of ways our digital and physical lives can be connected and tracked. He also addresses whether turning your phone off actually protects your privacy, whether your phone is secretly listening to conversations, and how connected devices inside your home can create new surveillance and cybersecurity risks. Tau also reveals why he sued the U.S. Postal Service after spending years trying to obtain basic records about how the agency handles Americans' digital information, including email addresses, phone numbers, and physical addresses. Privacy Isn't Paranoia, It's Protection. Download the Glacier app today: https://srs.site/glacierapp Shawn Ryan Show Links SUBSCRIBE: http://www.youtube.com/@ShawnRyanShow Sign up: https://shawnryanshow.com/pages/newsletter Support the Show: https://www.patreon.com/VigilanceElite Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/shawn-ryan-show/id1492492083 Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5eodRZd3qR9VT1ip1wI7xQ?si=59f9d106e56a4509 Follow on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@shawnryanshow Follow on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/shawnryanshow/ Follow on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/shawnryanshow/ Follow on Snapchat: https://www.snapchat.com/@shawnryanshow Follow on X: https://twitter.com/ShawnRyanShow SRS Podcast Playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4pqo9Uoh0WuUKxw0BmaK1yrg9Kd7E4lk Join this channel to get access to perks: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkoujZQZatbqy4KGcgjpVxQ/join #PODCAST #NEWS #CURRENTAFFAIRS #CRIME #DIDYOUKNOW #INTERESTINGFACTS #TECH #TECHNOLOGY #HACK #HACKER #SPY #CHINA Byron Tau Links: LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/byrontau X - https://x.com/byrontau Bluesky - https://bsky.app/profile/byrontau.bsky.social Book - https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/706321/means-of-control-by-byron-tau
Key Insights
- Modern phones cannot have batteries removed, and it's impossible to know if governments have technology to make phones appear off while still transmitting data, though turning phones off does offer some privacy protection against malware.
- The low cost of modern smart TVs is subsidized by their function as data collection machines that monitor viewing habits and preferences, with this data being sold by TV companies.
- Robot vacuum companies have been involved in privacy scandals where cameras captured intimate moments like people on toilets, with human contractors reviewing footage for machine learning purposes, potentially connected to Chinese ownership.
- The U.S. Postal Service has been aggressively collecting digital identifiers like phone numbers and emails through informed delivery and address change forms while simultaneously knowing customers' physical locations, raising concerns about linking digital and physical identity.
- No credible evidence shows phones are listening to conversations 24/7, but while keyword-triggered recording is theoretically possible, widespread listening would produce detectable data transmissions that researchers would have found.
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Transcript
[0:00] As we've been talking about, there's all sorts of other vectors to track. Ring cameras mounted on all these houses now. There's license plate readers that will track your car. There's the toll transponder that you use when you go through a toll. Now, >> my phone tracks me with location services off. True or false? >> My smart thermostat, which I love, by the way. You know, that has a microphone in it. I don't use it. I've turned off the microphone, but like could a hacker break into it and turn it on? Uh, could a nation state? Maybe. Retail and grocery stores tracking everything you [0:31] buy through membership and loyalty card. I got a hot…
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