How a Sardine Gets From the Ocean to a Can
Becca Milstein, founder and CEO of Fishwife, discusses how premium canned fish is sourced, processed, and marketed, while addressing the current global sardine shortage driven primarily by climate change and water temperature shifts rather than overfishing. The conversation explores supply chain complexities, the growth of the premium tinned fish category, and how emerging DTC brands compete in food retail.
Summary
The episode begins with hosts Tracy Allaway and Joe Weisenthal introducing the sardine shortage context: Morocco, which exports roughly 50% of the world's sardine supply, has imposed a ban on sardine exports due to declining catches and overfishing concerns. This prompted a discussion with Becca Milstein, founder of Fishwife, a premium canned fish company that started during COVID-19 when consumers were seeking shelf-stable, high-quality foods.
Milstein shares her origin story, having studied abroad in Spain and been inspired by European food culture—particularly the Spanish tradition of free tapas with drinks featuring high-quality tinned fish, and Portuguese conservatory shops showcasing beautiful canned products. This contrasted sharply with what she found in American supermarkets. During the pandemic, she noticed a 10% year-over-year increase in canned fish consumption and decided Americans deserved better premium products.
The conversation details the complex supply chain for canned anchovies from Santonia, Spain. Fish are caught using the Persene method (a large net that encircles schools), brought to shore within hours, auctioned with quality ratings based on size and fat content, then processed by multi-generational family canneries. Anchovies undergo 12-36 months of salt curing in barrels—longer aging produces higher quality but higher cost. After curing, they're cleaned, packed individually in olive oil, and steamed. Unlike other tinned fish with 5-7 year shelf lives, salt-cured anchovies have only about one year due to sensitivity to heat.
Milstein explains her early sourcing challenges and advantages. American manufacturers initially discouraged her from starting a canned fish business, suggesting pouches instead, since the category was flat or declining. However, this lack of competition and the presence of slack capacity in European canneries made them receptive to a new American entrepreneur. She began with micro-canneries in Oregon and Washington with no minimum order quantities, then moved to a Spanish cannery with a more modest 20,000-unit MOQ for sardines.
In 2023, Fishwife underwent a major supply chain transformation to scale from micro-canneries to facilities capable of producing 80-100 million cans annually. This enabled rapid growth but created demand forecasting challenges, since the supply chain requires 12-month, then 6-month, then 3-month lead times for procurement.
Regarding the sardine shortage, Milstein emphasizes that multiple theories contribute rather than a single cause. Most likely is climate change: warming Atlantic waters cause forage fish like sardines to migrate to colder areas, making them harder for commercial fishermen to access. Additional climate-related factors include unexpected food web changes and the plankton theory—warmer water may produce skinnier, less nutrient-dense plankton, resulting in leaner sardines. Overfishing appears less culpable; the Moroccan fishery remains well-regulated with strong enforcement.
Fishwife sources sardines exclusively from two MSC-certified sustainable fisheries: the Cornish sardine fishery (certified sustainable at the time Fishwife started selling sardines) and the Iberian sardine fishery (recently certified). The Moroccan sardine export ban didn't directly impact Fishwife's supply, but the shortage triggered explosive demand growth—sardine sales increased 4-5x starting in December. This forced difficult decisions: air freighting products (expensive, unsustainable) to meet retailer demand versus preserving margins. The company chose to air freight multiple times to capture new customers and retailers.
Milstein notes that the DTC (direct-to-consumer) channel comprises only 20% of Fishwife's business; retail is the primary volume driver. She argues that high-quality products command premium prices because consumers are willing to pay for genuine quality, especially after experiencing disappointment with earlier DTC brands that promised cheap-but-equal quality. Fishwife positions itself as offering genuinely superior products from multi-generational European family canneries without cutting corners.
On fisheries management, Milstein emphasizes that catch restrictions, while appearing alarming, represent responsible management. When catches decline, fisheries implement shutdowns for 3-5 years, allowing full repopulation and achieving sustainable certification again. She also notes that consumers trade between fish species—sardines, mackerel, tuna, salmon, and trout—when preferred options become unavailable, though anchovies remain a category exception since they're viewed more as a component ingredient than a protein replacement.
About this episode
<p>Just a decade ago, tinned fish was hardly a premium product. Most Americans likely associated cans of tuna with thrift. But that has changed a lot in recent years. The category took off during Covid and now shoppers are shelling out for high end brands like Fishwife. Today's guest Becca Millstein started the company in 2020, positioning it as a distinct, artisanal product, more akin to one might find in European grocery stores. In addition to the sheer challenges of scaling, the nature of the business itself has changed, influenced by climate change and geopolitics (shortages have led Morocco to suspend frozen sardine exports for instance). We discuss the tinned fish supply chain and how a new brand positions itself in today's media market.<br /><br />Read more: <a href="https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2026-07-26/how-trump-s-steel-tariffs-impact-america-s-tin-can-industry?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=podcast&utm_campaign=odd_lots&utm_content=article">What the American Tin Can Reveals About Trump’s Volatile Tariff Policy</a><br /><br />Only Bloomberg.com subscribers can get the Odd Lots newsletter in their inbox, plus unlimited access to the site and app. <a href="https://www.bloomberg.com/subscriptions/oddlots?in_source=oddlotspodcast">bloomberg.com/subscriptions/oddlots</a></p><p>See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.</p>
Key Insights
- Milstein argues that the Moroccan sardine shortage is primarily driven by climate change causing fish migration to colder waters rather than overfishing, as evidenced by strong regulatory enforcement and well-managed fisheries
- She claims that European canneries, despite being multi-generational family businesses, were receptive to Fishwife because American market entry is attractive but nearly impossible for them to achieve independently, making a partnership valuable
- Milstein explains that early-stage food businesses can avoid minimum order quantity problems by partnering with micro-canneries, which are willing to work with startups who lack proven demand
- The supply chain transformation in 2023 required committing to facilities capable of producing 80-100 million units annually, creating significant demand forecasting pressure given 3-12 month procurement lead times
- She argues that responsible fisheries management involves implementing catch restrictions and seasonal shutdowns, which allow fish populations to fully repopulate and achieve sustainable certification within 3-5 years
- Milstein contends that DTC branding and Instagram marketing, while important for brand building, represent only 20% of Fishwife's revenue, with retail volume driving primary business economics
- She claims that current consumer demand is increasingly willing to pay premium prices for genuinely high-quality products from established producers, moving away from the earlier DTC playbook of commodified alternatives
- Milstein notes that salt-cured anchovies have uniquely short 12-month shelf lives compared to other tinned fish (5-7 years) because heat treatment would cause them to disintegrate, making them the most complex product to store and manage
Topics
Transcript
What if you could use AI to research your investment portfolio and ask, find profitable mid-cap energy companies with growing cash flow? Which AI infrastructure stocks appear undervalued? Or rank stock opportunities based on valuation, growth, and risk? With Interactive Brokers, you can connect ChatGPT or Claude to your investment portfolio to research investments, analyze your holdings, and uncover potential undervalued opportunities. AI accelerates the research. You can make every investment decision. Open and fund an interactive broker's account in minutes at ibkr.com slash invest. Restrictions apply. AI integrations provided by third parties. IBKR does not verify content generated by AI platforms. Hey, everyone. I'm Jamie Lynn Sigler. When I got my diagnosis, I was in my twenties and it…
Full transcript available for MurmurCast members
Sign Up to AccessMore from Odd Lots
The Rise of Organized Retail Crime at Big Box Stores
Scott Glenn, VP of Asset Protection at Home Depot, discusses the rise of organized retail crime (ORC), explaining how it differs from opportunistic shoplifting, how stolen goods are fenced through online marketplaces, and the technological and legal challenges retailers face in combating sophisticated theft operations that often involve drugs, violence, and organized criminal networks.
Why Money Launderers Love $100 Bills
Bloomberg's Odd Lots podcast interviews journalist Oliver Bullough about money laundering, exploring how $2-5 trillion annually is laundered globally through cash, trade-based schemes, and crypto. The discussion reveals that despite $200 billion spent annually on anti-money laundering compliance, criminals consistently outmaneuver regulations while governments continue printing high-denomination bills that enable criminal activity.
Why Laser Beams Are the Hottest New Tech in Defense
Colonel Wayne Sanders from Bloomberg Intelligence discusses directed energy weapons (lasers and high-powered microwaves) as emerging defense technologies that could reduce reliance on expensive munitions. The conversation covers how these systems work, their deployment challenges, supply chain constraints, and their role in a layered air defense strategy alongside traditional missile systems.
What's Behind the Big Surge in US Government Bond Yields
Economics professor Daryl Duffy explains that rising US Treasury yields are driven primarily by massive government debt issuance relative to limited investor demand, rather than inflation concerns. He discusses the Treasury's buyback program, the Fed's balance sheet challenges, and the structural constraints on both fiscal and monetary policy's ability to control yields.
Adam Posen Thinks Things Could Get Very 'Messy' for the Fed
Adam Posen discusses Fed Chair Kevin Warsh's Jackson Hole speech, giving it a B- grade while highlighting concerns about the Fed's inflation trajectory and Warsh's preference for discretionary policymaking over clear forward guidance. Posen argues the Fed was late to hike in 2022 and early to cut in 2023, and warns that without explicit commitment to bringing inflation down at a specific pace, markets and policymakers may face confusion about the Fed's true intentions.