MacroVoices #373 Ole Hansen: Commodities Update
Ole Hansen, Saxo Bank's chief commodity strategist, discusses the continued bull market potential for commodities driven by deglobalization, energy transition demand, and supply constraints. He argues that despite recent weakness, structural factors including inflation concerns and supply-side challenges will support higher commodity prices over the medium term.
Summary
Ole Hansen provides a comprehensive analysis of commodity markets, starting with the uncertainty around U.S. interest rates and their impact on commodity pricing. He argues that the market is experiencing significant confusion about rate direction, moving from expectations of cuts to hikes and back again within weeks. Hansen believes inflation will remain structurally higher than the market's current 2.5% expectation, likely settling closer to 3-4%, which supports his bullish commodity thesis.
The interview covers the 'fragmentation game' - Hansen's term for deglobalization trends triggered by the Ukraine war, leading to reshoring and friendshoring that will increase commodity costs. China's economic recovery, while underway, has been less commodity-intensive than previous cycles, focusing more on services rather than infrastructure spending. This has disappointed commodity bulls who expected stronger demand.
Hansen explains how backwardation in futures markets indicates tight supply conditions across most commodities, even during recent price corrections. He discusses specific markets including crude oil's technical breakdown after OPEC production cuts, refining margin compression due to increased capacity, and the disconnect between U.S. and European natural gas prices. In metals, he highlights copper's long-term bull case driven by energy transition demand versus limited supply expansion, while noting short-term positioning challenges. Gold's outlook remains positive due to expected dollar weakness and real yield compression, though Hansen advocates patience near resistance levels. Agricultural commodities present upside risks, particularly in soft commodities like sugar and coffee, though grain markets currently show adequate supply expectations.
About this episode
MacroVoices Erik Townsend welcomes Saxo Bank Chief Commodities strategist Ole Hansen to the show to discuss the broader commodities bull market and the role interest rates play in contango and backwardation. Then they drill down on specific commodities including crude oil, gold, copper, grains and more. https://bit.ly/3LADP1y Download Ole's charts: https://bit.ly/3VjCPC3 Download Big Picture Trading chartbook 📈📉 https://bit.ly/44c0k4e ✅Sign up for a FREE 14-day trial at Big Picture Trading: https://bit.ly/2JjZR7J Check out Nick's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/Optionfinity Join OptionFinity discord: https://discord.gg/Rvnsv6Y Please visit our website https://www.macrovoices.com to register your free account to gain access to supporting materials
Key Insights
- Hansen argues that structural inflation will settle closer to 3-4% rather than the market's current 2.5% expectation, supporting commodity prices
- The analyst identifies deglobalization and reshoring trends as key drivers that will permanently increase commodity production costs
- Hansen observes that China's economic recovery is less commodity-intensive than previous cycles, focusing on services rather than infrastructure spending
- The strategist notes that most commodity futures curves remain in backwardation despite recent price weakness, indicating persistent supply tightness
- Hansen explains that backwardation provides additional returns to commodity investors through positive roll yield when holding futures contracts
- The analyst argues that crude oil's recent breakdown was driven by technical selling and refinery margin compression rather than fundamental supply-demand changes
- Hansen identifies increased global refinery capacity as a factor pressuring crack spreads and potentially reducing crude oil demand in the short term
- The strategist maintains that copper faces a structural supply deficit due to energy transition demand exceeding available mining capacity expansion
- Hansen argues that gold will benefit from expected U.S. dollar weakness and real yield compression as rate expectations adjust
- The analyst warns that agricultural markets remain vulnerable to weather disruptions despite currently adequate supply projections
- Hansen observes that soft commodities like sugar and coffee are showing the strongest price momentum due to specific supply constraints
- The strategist emphasizes that commodity position data from futures markets provides valuable insights into price volatility and trend sustainability
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Transcript
Thank you. Eric Townsend and Patrick Ceresna. Macrovoices episode 373 was produced on April 27th, 2023. I'm Eric Townsend. This episode of Macrovoices was made possible by Respect Energy, a leading European trader of renewable energy and a one-stop shop for all green energy investors. Saxo Bank's chief commodity strategist, Ola Hansen returns as this week's feature. interview guest. Ola and I will discuss the broader commodities bull market and the role interest rates play in contango and backwardation. Then we'll drill down on specific commodities, including crude oil, gold, copper, grains, and more. And I'm Patrick Ceresna with the macro scoreboard week over week. As of the close of Wednesday, April 26th, 2023, the S&P 500 was down 2.4%,…
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