MacroVoices #372 David Rosenberg: The Bear Market Bottom Is Not In
David Rosenberg argues that the stock market has not reached its bottom yet and believes a recession is already beginning in Q2 2023. He predicts the S&P 500 could fall to around 3,000 based on recession-level earnings and multiples, while maintaining a bullish outlook on gold due to expected Fed policy pivots.
Summary
David Rosenberg presents a bearish outlook for equities and the economy, arguing that markets are currently pricing in a soft landing scenario that he believes is incorrect. He contends that a recession is already starting in Q2 2023, evidenced by negative retail sales volumes, declining industrial production, falling temp agency employment, shrinking work weeks, and rising initial jobless claims. Rosenberg emphasizes that the aggressive Fed tightening cycle since 1981 and inverted yield curve (which began inverting in July 2022) historically lead recessions by 10-12 months, suggesting the timing is now appropriate for economic downturn.
Regarding equity markets, Rosenberg believes the October 2022 lows will not hold if his recession scenario materializes. He calculates that a typical recession would cause a 20% hit to earnings (bringing EPS to around $185) combined with a recession multiple of 16x (versus current 19x), yielding an S&P 500 target of approximately 3,000. He views the current market rally as a significant bear market rally similar to what occurred in early 2008 after the Bear Stearns collapse.
On banking and credit, Rosenberg distinguishes the current situation from 2008-2009, noting that large banks are well-capitalized but regional banks face significant commercial real estate exposure. He expects credit tightening similar to the early 1990s S&L crisis, which could lead to a three-quarter recession followed by a workout period. The combination of higher interest rates and restricted credit access will have layered negative impacts on the economy.
For inflation, Rosenberg maintains his view that the peak is behind us, dismissing secular inflation arguments as premature. He expects rental components (30% of CPI) to eventually reflect current real-time rent deflation, with a massive pipeline of new apartment units coming online while vacancy rates have risen from 4% to 7%. He believes inflation will surprise to the downside over a 12-month horizon.
On gold, despite recent strength to over $2,000, Rosenberg remains bullish due to expected Fed policy pivots and dollar weakness. He anticipates that economic data will force the Fed to halt rate hikes, with markets pricing in more rate cuts for 2024, while other central banks continue tightening, creating divergence favorable for gold.
Regarding China's reopening, Rosenberg sees it as providing only a fractional positive boost to global GDP, primarily benefiting intra-Asian trade and tourism rather than having substantial global production impacts. For commodities, while acknowledging secular bullish factors from energy transition and supply constraints, he expects near-term weakness due to recession-driven demand destruction, followed by longer-term strength once recovery begins.
About this episode
MacroVoices Erik Townsend and Patrick Ceresna welcome Rosenberg Research founder David Rosenberg to the show. Rosie says the bottom isn’t in yet for the stock market, and the long-awaited recession has finally begun now. They also discuss precious metals, bond yields and FOMC policy. https://bit.ly/43MiHMK Rosenberg Research Free Trial: https://bit.ly/3L3yWKM Download Big Picture Trading chartbook 📈📉 https://bit.ly/3NhUlF1 ✅Sign up for a FREE 14-day trial at Big Picture Trading: https://bit.ly/2JjZR7J Check out Nick's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/Optionfinity Join OptionFinity discord: https://discord.gg/Rvnsv6Y Please visit our website https://www.macrovoices.com to register your free account to gain access to supporting materials
Key Insights
- Rosenberg argues that a recession is already beginning in Q2 2023, evidenced by negative retail sales volumes, declining industrial production, and rising initial jobless claims up 50,000 from cycle lows
- He calculates that a typical recession would drive the S&P 500 down to approximately 3,000, based on 20% earnings decline to $185 EPS and a recession multiple of 16x versus current 19x
- Rosenberg contends that markets are currently pricing in a soft landing scenario, essentially believing that the business cycle has been repealed, which he views as dangerous
- He distinguishes the current banking situation from 2008-2009, noting that while large banks are well-capitalized, regional banks face significant commercial real estate exposure that will lead to credit tightening
- Rosenberg maintains that inflation has peaked and expects rental components of CPI to eventually reflect current real-time rent deflation, with apartment vacancy rates rising from 4% to 7%
- He remains bullish on gold despite recent strength to over $2,000, anticipating Fed policy pivots and dollar weakness as economic data forces the Fed to halt rate hikes
- Rosenberg views China's reopening as providing only fractional positive boost to global GDP, primarily benefiting intra-Asian trade rather than global production
- He expects commodities to face near-term weakness due to recession-driven demand destruction, but sees longer-term bullish trends from energy transition and supply constraints
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Transcript
Thank you. Eric Townsend and Patrick Ceresna. Macrovoices episode 372 was produced on April 20th, 2023. I'm Eric Townsend. This episode of Macrovoices was made possible by Respect Energy, a leading European trader of renewable energy and a one-stop shop for all green energy investors. Rosenberg Research founder David Rosenberg returns as this week's feature interview guest. Rosie says, the bottom isn't in yet for the stock market and the long-awaited recession has finally begun now. We'll also discuss precious metals, bond yields, and FOMC policy. And I'm Patrick Ceresna with the Macro Scoreboard week over week as of the close of Wednesday, April 19th, 2023. The S&P 500 was up 1.2%, closing at 4,178. We'll take a closer look…
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