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Erik Hirsch, CEO of Hamilton Lane, on the Explosive Growth of Private Markets

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Erik Hirsch, CEO of Hamilton Lane, discusses the private markets industry's explosive growth from $6B to $146B in AUM over 20 years, addresses misconceptions about correlation to public markets and performance dispersion, and defends private credit against recent negative headlines by emphasizing data-driven analysis and the nascency of retail participation.

Summary

Erik Hirsch, CEO of Hamilton Lane—a $146B AUM alternative asset manager and provider of private market solutions—sits down with Michael Batnick to discuss the state of private markets. Hamilton Lane has grown from $6B in 2005 to $146B in AUM, with an additional $1 trillion in assets under advisory, primarily by serving institutional investors, pension funds, endowments, and increasingly individual investors through discretionary fund management and portfolio construction.

Hirsch begins by clarifying that Hamilton Lane is not a fund manager like Blackstone or KKR, but rather an outsourced provider of capital into thousands of fund managers globally. He emphasizes that private market investing is difficult and most institutional investors—even very large ones—outsource the work of manager selection, due diligence, and portfolio construction rather than doing it themselves.

On the topic of private market returns and correlation, Hirsch agrees with Batnick's critique that the industry has been misleading about uncorrelated returns. He acknowledges that private equity returns are correlated to public markets; what creates the appearance of non-correlation is the quarterly reporting lag inherent to private funds. Hirsch argues the industry has been "its own worst enemy" by maintaining excessive secrecy and making false claims about diversification benefits.

Hirsch confirms that the "golden era" of private equity—when managers could generate exceptional alpha by exploiting illiquidity discounts and deploying significant leverage—ended decades ago. Despite this, performance dispersion between top and bottom quartile managers has remained wide, not compressed as many predicted. He argues this is because private market returns depend heavily on manager skill and operational improvements post-acquisition, not purchase price, making outcomes highly variable.

Regarding current industry headwinds, Hirsch factually acknowledges that private market returns have lagged public markets over the past 3-5 years, distributions are down materially, and holding periods are increasing. However, he attributes individual investor outflows from private credit funds to industry immaturity and headline-driven panic rather than fundamental problems. He notes that institutional investors—including pension funds—continue deploying capital into private credit despite negative headlines, contrasting sharply with retail investor behavior.

On private credit specifically, Hirsch explains its emergence as a replacement for the regional banking system that historically financed private businesses. He notes that while some private credit portfolios do have problems (concentrated holdings, poor underwriting, excessive software exposure), the industry data does not support widespread distress claims: default rates sit around 2%, bankruptcies haven't risen materially, and marks remain stable. He predicts the industry will bifurcate into high-quality and low-quality managers, similar to other private market segments.

Discussing secondary markets and the controversial "day-one markup" issue, Hirsch explains that accounting regulations require secondary LP buyers to mark investments at the fund's GP valuation, regardless of purchase price. He defends this practice as following SEC-approved accounting rules and notes that the secondary market has matured significantly: average discounts have narrowed from steep historical levels to about 13% today due to competition among buyers and efficient selling processes. He also explains that pricing complexity stems from quarter-lag reporting and multi-month transaction close timelines.

On Hamilton Lane's performance, Hirsch notes the firm generated $640M in net inflows and positive flows across 10 of 12 funds without implementing gates, attributing this to rigorous portfolio construction and selectivity (investing in less than 1% of deal flow). He emphasizes that education around private markets remains insufficient and that more data transparency is needed.

On public market valuation of alternative asset managers, Hirsch expresses frustration that despite strong operational metrics—incentive fees up sharply, margins expanding, earnings growing—the public equity of firms like Hamilton Lane has declined roughly 50%. He argues the public market is being irrational and swinging too far in extremes, while he and insiders have been buying stock. He emphasizes that long-term growth in private markets is structural and sustainable because public company counts are declining, companies increasingly stay private, and major wealth creation (SpaceX, Anthropic) happens in private markets before public investors get access.

Hirsch concludes by arguing that investors need exposure to both public and private markets for proper diversification, noting that restricting to public markets alone means concentrated exposure to mega-cap, AI-driven companies. He notes that Hamilton Lane has democratized access through multiple channels including direct investment, advisor platforms, and tokenized funds with minimums as low as $500.

About this episode

On this episode of Live From the Compound, Michael Batnick is joined by Erik Hirsch, CEO of Hamilton Lane, to discuss the state of private markets, why private equity is more correlated with public markets than investors may think, and what separates the best private market managers from the rest. They get into the rise of private credit, concerns around defaults and investor redemptions, the growing role of individual investors, why manager selection and portfolio construction matter so much, the booming secondaries market and controversy around day-one markups, plus why Hirsch believes private markets will continue to play a bigger role in investor portfolios. Sign up for ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The Compound Newsletter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and never miss out! Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://instagram.com/thecompoundnews⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Twitter: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/thecompoundnews⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-compound-media/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ TikTok: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@thecompoundnews⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Investing involves the risk of loss. This podcast is for informational purposes only and should not be or regarded as personalized investment advice or relied upon for investment decisions. Michael Batnick and Josh Brown are employees of Ritholtz Wealth Management and may maintain positions in the securities discussed in this video. All opinions expressed by them are solely their own opinion and do not reflect the opinion of Ritholtz Wealth Management. The Compound Media, Incorporated, an affiliate of ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Ritholtz Wealth Management⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, receives payment from various entities for advertisements in affiliated podcasts, blogs and emails. Inclusion of such advertisements does not constitute or imply endorsement, sponsorship or recommendation thereof, or any affiliation therewith, by the Content Creator or by Ritholtz Wealth Management or any of its employees. For additional advertisement disclaimers see here ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://ritholtzwealth.com/advertising-disclaimers⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Investments in securities involve the risk of loss. Any mention of a particular security and related performance data is not a recommendation to buy or sell that security. The information provided on this website (including any information that may be accessed through this website) is not directed at any investor or category of investors and is provided solely as general information. Obviously nothing on this channel should be considered as personalized financial advice or a solicitation to buy or sell any securities. See our disclosures here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://ritholtzwealth.com/podcast-youtube-disclosures/⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Key Insights

  • Hirsch argues that private equity returns are correlated to public markets, and the appearance of non-correlation is purely due to quarterly reporting lags rather than true diversification benefits.
  • Hirsch claims the performance dispersion between top and bottom quartile private market managers has remained wide despite massive capital inflows, because manager skill and operational decisions post-acquisition drive returns more than purchase price.
  • Hirsch contends that the individual investor outflows from private credit funds stem from industry immaturity and headline-driven panic among unsophisticated investors, while institutional investors with longer time horizons continue deploying capital.
  • Hirsch defends private credit day-one markups as legally compliant with SEC accounting regulations that require secondary buyers to mark at the GP valuation regardless of purchase price, and notes secondary discounts have narrowed to approximately 13% as the market matured.
  • Hirsch argues that private credit's emergence as a $1+ trillion industry is a structural replacement for the defunct regional banking system that historically financed private business expansion.
  • Hirsch asserts that public equity investors are being irrational by undervaluing alternative asset managers despite expanding margins, growing incentive fees, and positive net inflows, while missing that major wealth creation occurs in private markets before public access.
  • Hirsch claims Hamilton Lane's selectivity—investing in less than 1% of available deal flow—combined with rigorous portfolio construction is why the firm maintains positive inflows across most funds without gates despite industry-wide headwinds.
  • Hirsch contends that the declining count of public companies and the ability of large companies to stay private indefinitely means that investors restricting themselves to public markets sacrifice exposure to major portions of the economy and innovation.

Topics

Private markets industry growth and structureReturns correlation and performance dispersionPrivate credit industry fundamentals and risksSecondary markets and day-one markupsRetail vs. institutional investor behaviorPortfolio construction in private marketsPublic market valuation of alternative asset managersAccess democratization and tokenization

Transcript

Welcome to Live from the Compound. My name is Michael Batnick and I am very excited. I've been looking forward to this for a long time. I'm joined today by Eric Hirsch. Eric is the CEO of Hamilton Lane. Eric, welcome. Happy to be here. All right, so I want to start with a chart of Hamilton Lane's AUM. You took over as CEO when? So about two and a half years ago. Okay, but you've been with the company for a while. Long time. Joined there in the late 90s. Oh, wow. Okay, so we have this going back to 2005. We took this from you. Six billion dollars in assets under management. To say nothing of assets under…

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