KIND bars: Daniel Lubetzky. From peace in the Middle East to a $5 billion snack bar
Daniel Lubetzky, founder of Kind Bars, shares how his father's Holocaust survival shaped his character, how his peace-building venture PeaceWorks failed to scale, and how a near-business collapse led him to create Kind Bars, eventually sold to Mars for ~$5 billion. Throughout, he reflects on the tension between mission-driven entrepreneurship and building a commercially viable product.
Summary
Daniel Lubetzky's entrepreneurial journey is deeply rooted in his family history. His father, Roman Lubetzky, survived the Dachau concentration camp as a teenager — one of only 1% of children his age to do so — before eventually emigrating to Mexico. Roman's resilience and extraordinary kindness despite his trauma became the defining influence on Daniel's worldview and business philosophy. The family later moved to San Antonio, Texas in the mid-1980s after antisemitic scapegoating following an earthquake in Mexico City prompted Roman to leave, echoing his own father's failure to heed warning signs before the Holocaust.
As a teenager and young adult, Daniel displayed early entrepreneurial instincts — selling watches at flea markets, running lawn care and car-washing businesses, and even working as a street magician in Europe to fund his studies. He attended Trinity University in San Antonio and then Stanford Law School, where his passion for resolving the Arab-Israeli conflict crystallized into a concrete idea: using economic cooperation between Israelis and Arab neighbors as a vehicle for peace.
Inspired by the 1993 Oslo Accords, Daniel took a leave of absence from Sullivan & Cromwell law firm and moved to Israel to found PeaceWorks. The concept was to produce gourmet food products — sun-dried tomato spreads, olive tapenades, pesto — sourced collaboratively from Israeli, Palestinian, Egyptian, and Turkish suppliers. He partnered with Joel Benesch, who had previously run a similar venture into bankruptcy, and rebuilt the supply chain using regional sourcing to lower costs. After multiple rejections and refinements, he got the products into specialty retailers like Zabar's in New York.
Despite a compelling story and genuine quality, PeaceWorks struggled to scale. Daniel made a critical early mistake: leading with the social mission rather than the product's merit. Consumers admired the story but didn't buy in significant numbers. Sales plateaued around $1 million annually. He also over-extended by launching ventures across multiple conflict zones instead of perfecting one product line. His team of five was paid $24,000 each, including himself, and profitability was marginal at best.
A turning point came when Daniel agreed to distribute an unrelated apricot-yogurt-almond bar called 'Bee Natural,' which quickly became a major revenue source. When the bar's new Australian owners reformulated it with non-Whole Foods-approved ingredients, Daniel lost the entire revenue stream overnight. This crisis, compounded by his father's death and the violence of the Second Intifada, forced a decision: quit or build something new.
In 2004, after a team vote, they launched Kind Bars — whole-nut bars bound together with a transparent wrapper that made the product's quality immediately visible. The name honored Daniel's late father. The product was hard to manufacture at scale because preserving whole nuts (rather than pulverizing them into a paste like most bars) required proprietary manufacturing techniques. Production initially happened in Australia through existing relationships.
Kind's early retail breakthrough came accidentally: Whole Foods didn't know how to categorize the bars, so they placed them in POP displays at checkout counters — prime impulse-buy real estate. In the first year, Kind sold approximately $1 million in bars. Growth was slow initially due to a scarcity mentality Daniel had developed during the lean PeaceWorks years — their sampling budget as late as 2008 was just $800. A failed Walmart launch in 2007 taught Daniel a hard lesson about retail readiness and sell-through monitoring.
The company transformed after John Leahy joined as president around 2009-2010, bringing operational discipline that complemented Daniel's creativity. The same year, Kind entered Starbucks, dramatically expanding consumer awareness. Sampling budgets exploded from $800 to $800,000 to eventually $20 million annually, with 9 out of 10 samplers becoming loyal buyers. Private equity firm VMG invested in 2009, valuing the business at $45 million and separating Kind from PeaceWorks.
Kind grew rapidly through disciplined brand management — staying focused on eight core flavors for years before expanding, establishing strict nutritional guardrails (e.g., sugar ratios), and ensuring every new product exceeded quality expectations. By 2012, Kind was doing $120 million in sales. Mars purchased a minority stake in 2017 and a controlling stake in 2020 in a deal valuing the company at approximately $5 billion, with the remaining shares acquired in December 2024.
Daniel also co-founded the One Voice Movement with Israeli-Arab co-founder Mohammad Darashi, recruiting nearly a million Israelis and Palestinians to stand against extremism. He reflects honestly that peace seems as elusive as ever, but frames himself as an 'actionist' — one who channels worry into constructive effort. He is now working on a global initiative around the 'builders vs. destroyers' framework, which he hopes will ultimately be a greater legacy than Kind. Daniel joined Shark Tank in 2024 as the first new regular investor in 10 years.
About this episode
<p>What if the thing you care about most ... might be what’s holding your business back?</p><p>Daniel Lubetzky didn’t leave his law job to build a straightforward business. He left it to build a company he believed would support peace in the Middle East. Daniel named it, aptly, PeaceWorks. It partnered with Israeli and Arab businesses across the region to make and sell gourmet foods—together.</p><p>But Daniel ran into a big problem: he discovered that lots of people don’t shop for a “cause”. Most people buy things they like—especially when it comes to food.</p><p>Soon, Daniel was scrambling to find new revenue streams to support PeaceWorks. When he got the chance to sell an Australian snack bar in the U.S., he jumped on it—and did really well! But when Daniel's ONE big retailer dropped it, profits tanked.</p><p>Daniel faced a brutal choice: Walk away… or start over.</p><p>What came next was a leap of faith. He decided to create his OWN bar. It was almost completely unlike the competition at the time: It was made of whole nuts, fruits, sea salt, and a little chocolate—all easy to see in a novel, transparent wrapping. </p><p>Daniel named his company KIND, and when he sold it to Mars in 2020, it was valued at $5 billion!</p><p>This is a story about why mission alone doesn't sell, how failure forces clarity, and the moment every founder faces when they must decide: Do I keep going ... or do I quit?</p><p><br /></p><p><strong>What you’ll learn:</strong></p><p>Why customers don’t buy your mission—they buy your product</p><p>The hidden danger of being “too purpose-driven”</p><p>How to pivot without abandoning what matters to you</p><p>Why control over manufacturing can make or break your business</p><p>The surprising power of retail placement (and why checkout counters changed everything)</p><p>How scarcity thinking can limit growth—even when you’re winning</p><p>Why saying “yes” to the wrong opportunity (like Walmart too early) can hurt you</p><p><br /></p><p><strong>Timestamps:</strong></p><p>00:06:18 – “It really did shape almost all of my decisions”: How Daniel's father survived the Holocaust and built a new life in Mexico</p><p>00:17:40 – A landmark meeting of world leaders—and a dramatic career change</p><p>00:19:30 – From a bankrupt sun-dried tomato spread to PeaceWorks</p><p>00:24:29 – “They think you're adorable”: Why a mission isn’t enough to grow a business</p><p>00:30:59 – Overnight collapse: Finding a big, new revenue stream—then losing it</p><p>00:36:47 – The creation of the KIND bar</p><p>00:47:36 – “You couldn't say no to Walmart”: Entering big box too early</p><p>00:49:28 – The investment that pulled Daniel away from PeaceWorks</p><p>00:55:43 – Starbucks and sampling: How KIND became a household name</p><p>01:03:05 – An acquisition worth billions</p><p>01:06:25 – Daniel's new mission: Builders vs. destroyers</p><p><br /></p><p>This episode was produced by Alex Cheng with music by Ramtin Arablouei. It was edited by Andrea Bruce with research help from Noor Gill. Our engineers were Maggie Luthar and Robert Rodriguez.</p><p><br /></p><p>Follow How I Built This:</p><p>Instagram → <a href="https://www.instagram.com/howibuiltthis/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@howibuiltthis</a></p><p>X → <a href="https://x.com/howibuiltthis" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@HowIBuiltThis</a></p><p>Facebook → <a href="https://www.facebook.com/howibuiltthis" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">How I Built This</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Follow Guy Raz:</p><p>Instagram → <a href="https://www.instagram.com/guy.raz/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@guy.raz</a></p><p>Youtube → <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNSfrxNEmCruNtjIzxCBHjg" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">guy_raz</a></p><p>X → <a href="https://x.com/guyraz" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@guyraz</a></p><p>Substack → <a href="http://guyraz.substack.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">guyraz.substack.com</a></p><p>Website → <a href="http://guyraz.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">guyraz.com</a></p><p>See Privacy Policy at <a href="https://art19.com/privacy" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://art19.com/privacy</a> and California Privacy Notice at <a href="https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info</a>.</p>
Key Insights
- Lubetzky argues that leading with social mission rather than product quality is a fatal error — consumers admire the cause but buy based on taste and value, making mission an 'added reason to believe' rather than the primary sales driver.
- Lubetzky claims that the transparent packaging of Kind Bars was deliberately revolutionary — showing whole nuts and fruits directly to the consumer was a trust signal that no other bar in the market offered at the time.
- Lubetzky describes how being placed at Starbucks checkout counters and Whole Foods POP displays — due to retailers not knowing how to categorize Kind Bars — turned a merchandising problem into a massive competitive advantage.
- Lubetzky argues that a scarcity mentality, developed after years of barely surviving with PeaceWorks, caused him to severely underinvest in sampling — spending only $800 on samples as late as 2008 — and that this nearly stunted Kind's growth.
- Lubetzky claims that once Kind began aggressive sampling, 9 out of 10 people who tried the bar became buyers, producing an ROI that justified scaling the sampling budget from $800 to $20 million annually.
- Lubetzky argues that the biggest danger of a major retailer opportunity is being approached before you are operationally ready — citing Walmart's complex distribution system causing product to sit in the back room rather than reach shelves, resulting in zero sell-through.
- Lubetzky says that his inability to find investors for years — which he initially viewed as a failure — turned out to be an advantage because it prevented him from diluting his equity before the company's value had grown substantially.
- Lubetzky argues that building a team requires deliberately hiring people who are better than you in specific areas — sales, finance, product development — and that founders who unconsciously seek people like themselves rather than people stronger than them limit their company's potential.
- Lubetzky claims that the key to brand longevity is treating a brand as 'a promise well kept' — and that extending product lines too aggressively, as he did with PeaceWorks spreads, risks disappointing consumers and eroding trust across the entire brand.
- Lubetzky describes how the Oslo peace process created a window of genuine Arab-Israeli commercial openness in the mid-1990s — with Arab suppliers actively welcoming Israeli business partnerships — a political climate he argues was entirely unlike today.
- Lubetzky attributes his hypersensitivity to risk, democracy, and injustice partly to epigenetics and the documented psychological inheritance seen in children of Holocaust survivors, not just to what his parents consciously taught him.
- Lubetzky argues that both hard work and luck are necessary for building a billion-dollar company, but emphasizes that luck played a 'gigantic role' — noting that truly replicable entrepreneurial success at that scale is so rare that it cannot be explained by skill alone.
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