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Ken Shinoda: Higher but Stable Is Good for Credit | Bloomberg TV

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Ken Shinoda of DoubleLine Capital discusses Fed Chair Kevin Warsh's first press conference, analyzing the implications for credit markets and bond valuations. He argues that higher but stable rates can benefit credit markets, and that the Fed's shift away from forward guidance represents a positive step toward more nimble policy.

Summary

In this Bloomberg TV interview, Ken Shinoda provides his reaction to Fed Chair Kevin Warsh's inaugural press conference. Shinoda praises Warsh for bringing credibility to the Federal Reserve while noting that Warsh has signaled openness to significant changes in Fed communication and operations. Specifically, Warsh is skeptical of the dot plot (SEP projections) and forward guidance mechanisms, indicating he will use consultant task forces to examine Fed practices before making changes.

Regarding the Fed's immediate policy stance, Shinoda believes the Fed will remain patient and unlikely to cut rates given inflationary pressures. He interprets recent market movements in Treasuries as an overreaction, particularly the 16 basis point spike in the two-year yield, and suggests the two-year may decline another 10 basis points to settle around 4%.

On credit market implications, Shinoda emphasizes the importance of patience given current valuations. Credit spreads have tightened to yearly tight levels, the credit curve remains flat, and equity market strength has benefited credit. He recommends careful bond selection and warns of potential headwinds ahead. When asked about a higher-for-longer rate environment, Shinoda argues this can actually benefit credit markets given strong fundamentals, good earnings, and solid credit performance. He identifies opportunities in floating-rate securities and short-term fixed-rate securities positioned along the front end of the curve, which can yield 100-150 basis points over Treasury yields (approximately 5.5-6%).

On the Fed's balance sheet and operational changes, Shinoda notes Warsh will maintain accommodative liquidity conditions and help repo markets, but isn't a fan of large balance sheets. He expects balance sheet discussions to be deferred until year-end, particularly if inflation trends downward. Among the five task forces Warsh announced (communications, balance sheet, data sources, productivity/jobs, and inflation framework), Shinoda believes communications changes will be addressed first, likely resulting in shorter press conferences and reduced forward guidance reliance. He supports this shift, arguing forward guidance was necessary during QE but is no longer needed given current economic conditions with low unemployment and adequate earnings.

About this episode

DoubleLine Portfolio Manager Ken Shinoda joins Bloomberg TV following Federal Reserve Chairman Kevin Warsh’s debut FOMC press conference, calling the performance credible and the message clear: Price stability is the priority. Mr. Shinoda sees the two-year U.S. Treasury’s sharp reaction as an overwind of speculative longs that were positioned for a more dovish Fed chairman, and he wouldn’t be surprised to see it settle back down toward 4%. On the investment side, Mr. Shinoda’s watchword is patience. Credit spreads have ground back to year-to-date tights, the credit curve is flat, and valuations leave little room for error. In a higher but stable rate environment, he likes hugging the front end of the curve with a mix of floating-rate and short-term fixed-rate securities in investment grade credit, where investors can still pick up 100 to 150 basis points over Treasuries. Of Chairman Warsh’s five task forces, Mr. Shinoda expects communications to be tackled first, and he sees the likely scaling back of forward guidance and dot plots as a step in the right direction.

Key Insights

  • Warsh has signaled skepticism toward the SEP dots and forward guidance, indicating he plans to use consultant task forces to examine different Fed mechanisms before implementing changes
  • A higher but stable rate environment can be beneficial for credit markets because fundamentals remain strong, earnings are good, and credit performance is solid, allowing investors to stay in tight spread environments longer
  • Forward guidance was critical during QE to signal low rates and fight deflationary forces, but with current economic conditions (low unemployment, strong earnings, no QE), the Fed should be more nimble and not constrained by backwards-looking dot projections

Topics

Federal Reserve policy stance and patienceForward guidance and dot plot reformCredit market valuations and spread dynamicsHigher-for-longer interest rate environmentBond positioning and investment strategyFed communication changes under Chair WarshBalance sheet policy direction

Transcript

[0:04] Let's bring in Ken Shinoda of DoubleLine Capital portfolio manager. And Ken, there was a lot of focus, of course, on the rate decision itself, on the summary of economic projections, but no attention was really greater than what everybody was really looking for, and that was how Kevin Warsh would handle himself at that podium today. What did you make of it? >> Well, I think he did a good job. He brings credibility to the Fed. He mentioned multiple times that price stability of is of utmost important importance, but, you know, he's got some changes I think he wants to make. He's [0:34] not a huge fan of the SAP SCP dots. He's not a huge…

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