Elizabeth Holmes' Husband Billy Evans: The Trial, Prison & Nathan Fielder's Documentary
Billy Evans, husband of convicted Theranos founder Elizabeth Holmes, discusses their relationship, her 11-year prison sentence, and a new documentary about her life. He argues that media portrayals have misrepresented Elizabeth's character and the details of the fraud case, while defending her as an idealistic person following rules even when it harmed her legal defense.
Summary
Billy Evans met Elizabeth Holmes at a Fleet Week party in San Francisco in October 2017, when Theranos was already under investigation and Elizabeth had a negative public reputation. They initially became friends, going on walks together for six months before beginning a romantic relationship. Evans was unfamiliar with Elizabeth's legal troubles at first and was drawn to her as a person—her attentiveness, curiosity, and genuine interest in others. Three weeks after they started dating, Elizabeth was indicted. Despite the mounting legal pressure, Evans remained with her throughout the investigation and trial.
Evans describes Elizabeth as someone who fundamentally believes in her innocence and was consistently told by lawyers that she would not be indicted. He characterizes her as rule-following to the point of being "militant" about it, stemming from her idealistic upbringing with parents who worked in government service. When a judge said the case would be litigated in the courtroom and not the media, Elizabeth adhered strictly to this guidance and never spoke publicly, even when media narratives were being shaped against her. Evans argues this silence was ultimately damaging to her defense.
During the trial period, Elizabeth and Billy had two children—a son born in July 2020 and a daughter born in February 2022. Elizabeth returned to court pumping breast milk at three months postpartum, carefully hiding her diaper bag to avoid negative press coverage. They traveled the country in an RV for eight months to escape media attention and pursue a more normal life during the pre-trial period.
Regarding the conviction, Evans emphasizes that of 13 counts, Elizabeth was acquitted on patient fraud charges related to 4 patients out of the 12.5 million tests Theranos ran. She was convicted on four counts of financial fraud related to three investors. Evans contests the sentencing, noting that additional investors were added to the case despite her not being convicted of defrauding them, which increased her sentence from approximately 4-5 years to 11.25 years. He also argues the conspiracy conviction was used to impose a higher sentence, and that media narratives—particularly about her turtleneck and deep voice being manipulative tactics—are sexist when compared to how similar behavior by male CEOs is described.
Evans discusses the Nathan Fielding documentary "You Can See Everything," which took three years to complete. He acknowledges concern about how it's being edited and received, noting that the trailer makes Elizabeth look manipulative despite the documentary's intention to show her as a person rather than litigate the case. He describes visiting her at Bryan Federal Prison Camp in Texas, where she has been for over 1,200 days. He manages their two young children while visiting her on Saturdays and building his own company, Hemanthus, which uses Raman spectroscopy for biological detection—a different technology from Theranos's blood testing machine.
Evans reveals that Elizabeth receives a $435 million restitution judgment, from which 70% of her commissary money is taken. He expresses frustration that wealthy investors like the DeVos and Walton families were added to the case despite the government later arguing they faced no financial hardship. With the First Step Act, Elizabeth can earn sentence reductions through programming and is expected to reach a halfway house in the second quarter of the following year. Evans emphasizes that his new company is not "Theranos 2.0" but rather a legitimate technology venture building on photonic research, though he acknowledges the press finds the "Theranos 2.0" narrative more compelling.
About this episode
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Key Insights
- Evans claims Elizabeth was acquitted on all patient fraud counts (4 patients out of 12.5 million tests), but convicted on financial fraud related to only 3 investors, yet 10 investors were added at sentencing despite no conviction related to them.
- Evans argues that Elizabeth's strict adherence to a judge's instruction not to litigate the case in media was ultimately her biggest legal mistake, as it prevented her from controlling the narrative while journalists and media figures shaped public opinion.
- Evans contends that media descriptions of Elizabeth's turtleneck wearing and deep voice as manipulative tactics are sexist, noting that similar behavior by male CEOs is described as powerful storytelling ability rather than manipulation.
- Evans describes Elizabeth as someone from an idealistic government-service background who fundamentally believes in her innocence and was repeatedly told by lawyers pre-indictment that she had done nothing wrong.
- Evans reveals that Elizabeth pumped breast milk throughout her trial despite her three-month-old son, carefully hiding the diaper bag to prevent negative media coverage, showing her concern about public perception during prosecution.
- Evans claims the conspiracy conviction was used specifically to increase sentencing guidelines, and that recent guideline changes even prompted the government to argue that wealthy investors added to the case faced no actual financial hardship.
- Evans states his company Hemanthus uses Raman spectroscopy technology (a well-known research technique) to make chemical detection devices cheaper and more widely distributed, fundamentally different from Theranos's blood testing approach.
- Evans describes visiting Elizabeth in prison where only about 30 of 800 women receive visitors on weekends, and notes she receives only partial commissary funds due to the $435 million restitution judgment.
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Transcript
Billy Evans, who is Elizabeth Holmes' partner, the subject of the forthcoming documentary, You Can See Everything, has had an unconventional love story with her fiance, Billy Evans. The couple first connected as federal authorities were investigating Holmes for fraud and conspiracy, connected to her failed blood testing startup, Theranos. A new documentary is offering an unprecedented look into the life of Elizabeth Holmes, the tech CEO turned convicted felon, at the center of a massive multi-year fraud. Elizabeth Holmes was sentenced today to 11 and a quarter years in prison. Four counts of criminal fraud. The disgraced tycoon and her fiancé, Billy Evans. Please welcome Billy Evans. Welcome. What's up? Hi, everyone. Grab a seat. Have you ever done…
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